Visa reqts for US

"Harry The Horse" wrote in message
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"Gaz" wrote in message
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"Harry The Horse" wrote in message
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Gaz wrote:

Name a better system of rational, limited and democratic government.

Ask a black in Mississippi.

He won the lottery,in terms of places to be born and live.

So didn't bother to ask. That figures.

The only thing
the US does, is fail to live up to its high ideals. It still has a better
record then most other nations.

So why don't you move there?

I have lived, studied and got married there, but i choose to live here.

Gaz

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:19:41 +0100, "Gaz" wrote:


"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message
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Alex Heney wrote:

Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties?

this is the US you are talking about.

While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil
liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world,
those with anything approaching a genuine democracy.

According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse.

Amnesty has a very specific agenda, it gains it publicity and exposure. It
is relativised, you honestly think that people living in Zimbabwe are
'freer' then the US?

They are free to leave if not imprisoned.
That is not the case in USofA.
In fact it is not the case in the UK now either.


Relativism is the poison of the marxists.

Waffle

Gaz

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:19:41 +0100, "Gaz" wrote:


"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message
...
Alex Heney wrote:

Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties?

this is the US you are talking about.

While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil
liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world,
those with anything approaching a genuine democracy.

According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse.

Amnesty has a very specific agenda, it gains it publicity and exposure. It
is relativised, you honestly think that people living in Zimbabwe are
'freer' then the US?

They are free to leave if not imprisoned.
That is not the case in USofA.
In fact it is not the case in the UK now either.


Relativism is the poison of the marxists.

Waffle

Gaz

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:25:41 +0100, "Ian Henden"
wrote:


"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message
...
Alex Heney wrote:

Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties?

this is the US you are talking about.

While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil
liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world,
those with anything approaching a genuine democracy.

According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse.


Perhaps UK should apply similar conditions on visitors from USA?

Indeed they should but you will not get it with Blair in power. He's
had Blunkett sign an extradition treaty with the merkins that is not
reciprocal and permits UK citizens to be extradited to the USA almost
on request. The *******s should be up on treason charges for that.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:25:41 +0100, "Ian Henden"
wrote:


"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message
...
Alex Heney wrote:

Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties?

this is the US you are talking about.

While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil
liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world,
those with anything approaching a genuine democracy.

According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse.


Perhaps UK should apply similar conditions on visitors from USA?

Indeed they should but you will not get it with Blair in power. He's
had Blunkett sign an extradition treaty with the merkins that is not
reciprocal and permits UK citizens to be extradited to the USA almost
on request. The *******s should be up on treason charges for that.

(Email sent from laptop hence different id)
Many thanks for all the input. Just to clarify matters, I've spoken to the
embassy and if you've ever been arrested by the police, for anything, no
matter what the outcome of the case, you cannot travel under the Visa Waiver
scheme and have to apply for a Visa. They reckon that from 26 October, all
passengers will be fingerprinted and checked against police records (however
I am not sure WHICH police records, US or UK) So I am not going to chance
being turned away so I've made an appointment for a visa appointment.
However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
must have been a minimum of 10 minutes. Then I have to take a day off work
to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it MUST be a personal
interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London then pay £72 for the
Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to NY actually cost! I
can understand this palaver if I had been actually convicted of anything but
I'm totally innocent and so am really miffed about it.

(Email sent from laptop hence different id)
Many thanks for all the input. Just to clarify matters, I've spoken to the
embassy and if you've ever been arrested by the police, for anything, no
matter what the outcome of the case, you cannot travel under the Visa Waiver
scheme and have to apply for a Visa. They reckon that from 26 October, all
passengers will be fingerprinted and checked against police records (however
I am not sure WHICH police records, US or UK) So I am not going to chance
being turned away so I've made an appointment for a visa appointment.
However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
must have been a minimum of 10 minutes. Then I have to take a day off work
to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it MUST be a personal
interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London then pay £72 for the
Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to NY actually cost! I
can understand this palaver if I had been actually convicted of anything but
I'm totally innocent and so am really miffed about it.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:23:36 +0100, "Stef"
wrote:

(Email sent from laptop hence different id)
Many thanks for all the input. Just to clarify matters, I've spoken to the
embassy and if you've ever been arrested by the police, for anything, no
matter what the outcome of the case, you cannot travel under the Visa Waiver
scheme and have to apply for a Visa. They reckon that from 26 October, all
passengers will be fingerprinted and checked against police records (however
I am not sure WHICH police records, US or UK) So I am not going to chance
being turned away so I've made an appointment for a visa appointment.
However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
must have been a minimum of 10 minutes. Then I have to take a day off work
to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it MUST be a personal
interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London then pay £72 for the
Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to NY actually cost! I
can understand this palaver if I had been actually convicted of anything but
I'm totally innocent and so am really miffed about it.

IT's one of the reasons a lot of people are saying 'sodoff' To
visiting USofA.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:23:36 +0100, "Stef"
wrote:

(Email sent from laptop hence different id)
Many thanks for all the input. Just to clarify matters, I've spoken to the
embassy and if you've ever been arrested by the police, for anything, no
matter what the outcome of the case, you cannot travel under the Visa Waiver
scheme and have to apply for a Visa. They reckon that from 26 October, all
passengers will be fingerprinted and checked against police records (however
I am not sure WHICH police records, US or UK) So I am not going to chance
being turned away so I've made an appointment for a visa appointment.
However to add insult to injury, the number you dial to make an appointment
is a premium rate number at £1.50 a minute and by the time I'd listened to
the recorded message and actually got through to make the appointment it
must have been a minimum of 10 minutes. Then I have to take a day off work
to go down to London (only other place is Belfast and it MUST be a personal
interview), pay for travel from Manchester to London then pay £72 for the
Visa.Which is getting on towards what the flights to NY actually cost! I
can understand this palaver if I had been actually convicted of anything but
I'm totally innocent and so am really miffed about it.

IT's one of the reasons a lot of people are saying 'sodoff' To
visiting USofA.

Loads of people travel to the US under the visa waiver scheme with
arrests/cautions/convictions. They may fingerprint you but are not
going to do a full search on the UK database - think about
logistics/costs involved. Just try not to seem guilty as you talk to
the immigration bloke at the airport - he'll look at your passport ask
you some questions and send you on your way - especially if you have
previous US stamps in the passport.

Agreed, if you have previous stamps in your passport you should have
no problems at all.

Matt.