Are You On Uncle Sam's No Fly List?

"Keith" wrote in message
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Hey,

Can't be. I was picked for the extra inspections at the ticket counter,
long before I got anywhere near the archways. -Dave

That reminds me. I booked a NWA flight that was served by Continental.
After making the mistake of showing up at the NWA counter, I proceeded to
the Continental counter, and tried to check in. I had the luck of getting
the "new" girl at the Continental counter. First, she told me to check in
at NWA -- and after I told her they just send me here, she had to ask
someone for help on "how to do this". After watching her for 15 minutes
trying to get help from the other busy people, she finally persuaded
someone
to come over to the computer to help her. They took 5 minutes, left, and
she was left with a confused look on her face. I still had no boarding
pass. She finally managed to get something to print, and just before she
handed it to me, she stamped a bright red "SS" on the outside of the
boarding envelope.

I was hoping this meant "Speed through Security", but it didn't. When I
got
to the security screening area, they immediately siphoned me over to the
take-shoes-off-and-wand-me area after seeing the "SS".

When I got to the gate, the funny gate attendant mentioned, "I see you got
the strip search, was it fun?".

After getting to my final destination, I learned that they had lost my
luggage, and had no idea when/if it would be returned. Luckily, they
brought the bag to the hotel the next morning at 10am.

Any one know what "SS" is, and how you get lucky enough to get stamped ?

Sometimes its SS, sometimes SSS, sometimes *S* and other variations
depending on the airport. It means, "secondary screening."

It can come up for a number of reasons. Flying one-way, paying cash for a
ticket, or buying a ticket the same day seem to trigger it often (though not
always). Sometimes, it's just random.



Keith
Pittsburgh

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
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Any one know what "SS" is, and how you get lucky enough to get stamped ?

Sometimes its SS, sometimes SSS, sometimes *S* and other variations
depending on the airport. It means, "secondary screening."

It can come up for a number of reasons. Flying one-way, paying cash for a
ticket, or buying a ticket the same day seem to trigger it often (though
not
always). Sometimes, it's just random.


Which is silly since none of the hijackers who were responsible for the
planes crashing into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon bought one way
tickets or paid for them with cash. KM
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"alohacyberian" wrote in message
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Which is silly since none of the hijackers who were responsible for the
planes crashing into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon bought one
way
tickets or paid for them with cash. KM

However previous incidents have. Those 2 factors were guaranteed
to attract attention long before 911, which is of course one reason why the
hijackers didnt do that.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in
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"alohacyberian" wrote in message
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Which is silly since none of the hijackers who were responsible for
the planes crashing into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
bought one
way
tickets or paid for them with cash. KM

However previous incidents have. Those 2 factors were guaranteed
to attract attention long before 911, which is of course one reason
why the hijackers didnt do that.

Right. The answer is that the people to be most suspicious about are the
ones who are the least suspicious.

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"alohacyberian" wrote in message
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Which is silly since none of the hijackers who were responsible for the
planes crashing into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon bought one
way
tickets or paid for them with cash. KM

However previous incidents have. Those 2 factors were guaranteed
to attract attention long before 911, which is of course one reason why the
hijackers didnt do that.

Keith


And is precisely why future hijackers will pay for their round-trip tickets
with credit cards at travel agencies. KM
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visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect
to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all
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"Jim Davis Sr" wrote in message
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I'm on their "Watch List" which is a step down from the No Fly List. I
fly
2 to 4 times a week. Each time at the ticket counter, my name is
"Flagged"
& I then have to go through additional screening, as well as my luggage.
Delays & missed flights are the result. I'm now involved with the class
action lawsuit through the ACLU. But the best part is, that they still
deny
the list exists.

Do you know why you're on it? How you got on it and why you remain on it?
Before joining the class action lawsuit, what did you try to do individually
(I assume with no success) to try to get off the list? Who did you
call/write?

Or do you even dispute that you belong on this list? ;-)

Thanks

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
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Good luck, Jim. This is outrageous. Last time I looked, there is still a
5th Amendment, which provides that you cannot be deprived of property
rights
(in this case, the contractual right to board an aircraft) without due
process of law.

Wait a minute, does ANYBODY still think the bill of rights has ANY effect
these days? Just invoke the magic words ("national security") and all of
that goes out the window...

"News Reader" wrote in message
Do you know why you're on it? How you got on it and why you remain on it?
Before joining the class action lawsuit, what did you try to do
individually
(I assume with no success) to try to get off the list? Who did you
call/write?


He's not asking WHY he's on the watch list, as he doesn't want to end up on
the NO FLY list. Duh. -Dave

"News Reader" wrote in message
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"Jim Davis Sr" wrote in message
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I'm on their "Watch List" which is a step down from the No Fly List. I
fly
2 to 4 times a week. Each time at the ticket counter, my name is
"Flagged"
& I then have to go through additional screening, as well as my luggage.
Delays & missed flights are the result. I'm now involved with the class
action lawsuit through the ACLU. But the best part is, that they still
deny
the list exists.

Do you know why you're on it? How you got on it and why you remain on it?
Before joining the class action lawsuit, what did you try to do
individually
(I assume with no success) to try to get off the list? Who did you
call/write?

Or do you even dispute that you belong on this list? ;-)

Thanks

This all started 5 days after I requested a Damage Claim Form for a $
1,700.00 Test Scope which a TSA Employee Damaged while inspecting my tool
box. (This was 2 years ago, & no answer on that yet.)
I asked all the questions you list above.. (Everything is Documented. I
have a lot of time waiting in Airports)
A few E-Mails. (Hard Drive crashed & I lost the copies)
57 Calls to TSA - (1-866-289-3673) They took information, and said they
would return the calls. (No returned calls.)
102 Messages on their answering service. (Same Number) No Responses.
I got their Fax number, and politely asked the same questions, + the
question of being removed.
I started sending 1 fax per day for 10 days. After that, 20 per day.
(My lap top can pump out faxes like a spammer.)
After a few weeks of this, I received a call from TSA. They sent me forms
to return. They wanted me to send them notarized copies of my Birth
Certificate, Drivers License, SS#, & Proof of address. He then told me that
this would not guaranty to solve my problem. (He never would admit that
their was a list.) Did I send them this personal information?? I think not.
Also, My son has the same name (He's a Jr.) He flys occasionally, and gets
the same song & Dance.

My son, gave me the information for ACLU. I wrote to them. They requested
my files, which I E-Mailed. Catherine Kim ) (212-549-2682)
She called later & asked if I wanted to be part of the Class Action Suit. I
said "Hell Yeah!" I send her updated files regularly, and speak to her
occasionally. I told her I'm not looking for monetary damages. I just want
to be removed from the list. But I'm rethinking that.

Jim Davis Sr. muttered....


57 Calls to TSA - (1-866-289-3673) They took information, and said
they would return the calls. (No returned calls.)
102 Messages on their answering service. (Same Number) No Responses.
I got their Fax number, and politely asked the same questions, + the
question of being removed.
I started sending 1 fax per day for 10 days. After that, 20 per
day.
(My lap top can pump out faxes like a spammer.)

Wow.....Didn't it occur to you that someone at TSA, after a few days of
FAXes, might perorm a relatively standard governmental
evolution....constantly reminded of your name, address and particulars,
he/she (and it could have been no more than a low level secretary) assigned
you to the dreaded "KN&W" (Kooks, Nuts and Whackos") file drawer/data base,
a designator existing in most federal government depatments. Over at
Homeland Security the results of such assignment works out to be worse than
being on the Agriculture Department's **** List.

Send 20 FAXes a day to your Mayor, and within a few days, there may be an
unmarked Ford occasionally parked down the street from your house. What you
viewed as persistence, somebody at TSA saw as semi-harassment and decided
to pull the chain on your cistern. Sure, it's wrong and inexcusable, but
as predictable as sunrise.

TMO