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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
In article , tim..... says...
I didn't notice those restaurant food prices as out of line with other Western European locations from my recent trips. We have done a number of European trips (Spain, Portugal, France, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria, Czechia, Poland, Greece) and were able to find affordable food in all these countries. For those that haven't looks at Alfred's report his sample prices a Pasta Starter: 7-10 Euro Main Course: meat 10-20 plus vegetable at 3 E per portion plus coperto at 2 E plus unspecified amounts for salads and deserts making a total of 25E pp 100 E per family, twice! a day. Well firstly, after you have had breakfast in the hotel (which the report says that he did) does anybody really have a three course meal for both lunch and dinner. I certainly don't. Lunch will just be the pasta (or a sandwich). Well, wife and kids cannot survive on just a breakfast and a dinner over a whole day. There must also be a lunch. And are those prices really higher than elsewhere in W Europe for full meals? On my most recent trip to France/Spain I was presented with menus in France at: Starter 10-15 E Main Course 15-25E (vegetables included!) Dessert 8-12E. In all other European countries visited it was possible to eat for less. But the really weird thing is that meat dishes in Sicily were so expensive. Why does a meat dish without rice or potatoes have to cost between 10 and 20 Euro? Meat doesn't cost that much. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
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Hucklenbroich says... Seems like what you would pay in a city in Germany. Then again, even in a country like Germany prices can vary regionally. I live in Cologne, and restaurants here are rather expensive. When I once went to Kiel (northern coastal town), I was surprisend that food in Restaurants was about 25% cheaper than in Cologne. To make an example, here in Munich you can go to the PEP (Perlacher Einkaufszentrum) and eat for 4-7 Euro. You will get a dish with rice or noodles with meat and vegetables. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
In article alpine.LSU.2.00.1302221315270.32439
@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg, Giovanni Drogo says... - Agrigento and other archeological sites. It might be true that some are not well kept or unattracive (Selinunte, but I was there passing by in the '70s), but for others (Siracusa and Agrigento) it might help a bit of preliminary historical preparation to enjoy the visit (tyrant Dyonisus, Archimedes, tyrant Falarides, Empedocles). They were Big Cities of the Magna Graecia ! Actually the temple in Selinunte (the well preserved one) is quite nice. Agrigento is also well worth visiting. snip - Since I do not drive, I cannot comment much on your disadventures with the navigator. Probably due to not up-to-date maps. But except for a few spots with inaccurate maps, the navigation system proved to be very useful. However, despite the fact I do not drive, I orient myself quite well. In general when I go around (by coach) I know pretty well where I am looking at road signs and using a map. Despite bad driving habits of the locals and crazy arrangement of streets in inhabited centres, possibly you were overestimating the capabilities of a navigator. The navigator wasn't the problem. The problem was the road network in certain cities and areas and the way Sicilians drive. Also it seems you were rather unlucky in non-spotting tourist traps (which however I'd expect mainly in Taormina), of course an Italian would smell them from afar. These tourist traps seem to be typical of Sicily. In the other countries where we have been even in a tourist restaurant you wouldn't get ripped off. Maybe a little bit, but not as badly as in Sicily. Although to be honest, we just got badly ripped off in that restaurant in Catania on the first day. After that first time, we started checking prices very carefully before entering a restaurant. The other point is that local eating times are quite different from those in Northern Italy (and surely from those you are accustomed to). Difficult to find a snack-place at noon for lunch (more likely around 14), or a restaurant before 20 in the evening (more likely 21). Usually we do not eat so late (i.e. after 8-9pm). We have small kids who need to eat early in order to go sleeping early. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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European Resturant Food prices
Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , Frank Hucklenbroich says... Seems like what you would pay in a city in Germany. Then again, even in a country like Germany prices can vary regionally. I live in Cologne, and restaurants here are rather expensive. When I once went to Kiel (northern coastal town), I was surprisend that food in Restaurants was about 25% cheaper than in Cologne. To make an example, here in Munich you can go to the PEP (Perlacher Einkaufszentrum) and eat for 4-7 Euro. You will get a dish with rice or noodles with meat and vegetables. That's a shopping mall. You will get similar prices in malls in the UK and US, but 'proper' restaurants are generally more expensive, as they are in Germany too. David -- (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "[Do you think the world learned anything from the first world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009) |
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European Resturant Food prices
"Frank Hucklenbroich" wrote in message .. . Am Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:24:55 -0000 schrieb tim.....: In France the tourist "menu de Jour" was only available at lunchtime Thats strange. I just assumed that it was because they wanted to charge full price in the evening When we went around Bourgogne, it was available in the evenig at every restaurant we tried. It was in summer, so the high season, and most tourists (lots of them French) rather have a 4 course menu in the evening than for lunch. Yep, so why discount it when it is most popular? tim |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
"Alfred Molon" wrote in message ... In article , tim..... says... I didn't notice those restaurant food prices as out of line with other Western European locations from my recent trips. We have done a number of European trips (Spain, Portugal, France, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria, Czechia, Poland, Greece) and were able to find affordable food in all these countries. For those that haven't looks at Alfred's report his sample prices a Pasta Starter: 7-10 Euro Main Course: meat 10-20 plus vegetable at 3 E per portion plus coperto at 2 E plus unspecified amounts for salads and deserts making a total of 25E pp 100 E per family, twice! a day. Well firstly, after you have had breakfast in the hotel (which the report says that he did) does anybody really have a three course meal for both lunch and dinner. I certainly don't. Lunch will just be the pasta (or a sandwich). Well, wife and kids cannot survive on just a breakfast and a dinner over a whole day. There must also be a lunch. Well yes. But not three courses, surely? tim |
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European Resturant Food prices
tim..... wrote:
"Frank Hucklenbroich" wrote in message .. . Am Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:24:55 -0000 schrieb tim.....: In France the tourist "menu de Jour" was only available at lunchtime Thats strange. I just assumed that it was because they wanted to charge full price in the evening When we went around Bourgogne, it was available in the evenig at every restaurant we tried. It was in summer, so the high season, and most tourists (lots of them French) rather have a 4 course menu in the evening than for lunch. Yep, so why discount it when it is most popular? Sometimes (not always) it costs more than at lunchtime but, as the various posts indicate, they are nevertheless often available. David -- (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "[Do you think the world learned anything from the first world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009) |
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European Resturant Food prices
Martin wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:47:31 +0000, (David Horne) wrote: Martin wrote: [] UK probably has the cheapest meals available in restaurants in Europe, thanks to the chains that Mitchel and Butlers, Whitbread and similar own. Most UK supermarkets have a cafe/restaurant offering very cheap meals too, without them some OAPs would starve. For lunch we went to Carcluccio's and had the 'trio' for £20. Same as the last time we were the seafood linguini, gnocchi, venison tortelloni. Delicious and certainly filling for two adults... http://www.carluccios.com/menus/manc...s/pasta-dishes Sounds good! I meant these sort of places serving food at Alfred M. prices I know! http://www.mbplc.com/ourbrands/crowncarveries/ http://www.crowncarveries.co.uk/offe...tedbreakfasts/ "Join us early doors at The Drawbridge in Rotherham and set yourself up for the day with an unlimited cooked breakfast fit for a king - only £3.99 from Saturday to Sunday" http://www.crowncarveries.co.uk/thed...sundaycarvery/ "from Monday to Saturday we offer two carvery sizes to suit your appetite: the smaller carvery at just £3.69** (a perfect kids' meal), and the Crown carvery at £4.19. Why not max your meal by adding The Works for just £1.50 extra" I haven't been to those types of places much- certainly good value... when working outside Watford recently, those of us staying in the Hilton went to the Toby Carvery next door for breakfast because it was much cheaper. David -- (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "[Do you think the world learned anything from the first world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009) |
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European Resturant Food prices (was Sicily travelogue)
In article , tim..... says...
Well, wife and kids cannot survive on just a breakfast and a dinner over a whole day. There must also be a lunch. Well yes. But not three courses, surely? You mean we should limit ourselves to just a dish of noodles and drink only water? No salad, soup, no dessert? And even if just you order a dish of meat with some potatoes, together with the "coperto" you are already close to 20 Euro (per person). Add a drink and you are at 20 Euro. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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