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Istanbul and Gallipoli
Awww the 3 pals trolling together in public
"grusl" a écrit dans le message de ... On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort. I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text - SHUT UP Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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Runge11 wrote:
What an interesting, void life ! Please no more details !!! Is Turkey a normal modern place where you simply pay for things or do you have to barter down the price...??? -- Best Greg "grusl" a écrit dans le message ... I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother.. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Runge11 blabbles:
Awww the 3 pals trolling together in public Here in America "Turkey" refers to a bird...we use our guns to shoot the buggers...!!! -- Best Greg "grusl" a écrit dans le message ... On Jun 4, 4:53 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:49, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 4:33 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 13:27, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 3:22 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well.. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- I'm sure Gallipoli is larger than Westminster. Anyway, I think London is overrated. ....Gallipoli is a large field,zzzzzzz, but if you insist on going at least drop in on the Turks as well, it'll make your driver happy- Hide quoted text - Westminster is a large church zzzzzzzzzzz indeed, and thats about 30 minutes of site seeing for no extra effort. I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul. ah, but they wont buried in a field....- Hide quoted text - SHUT UP Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:00:54 +0530, "grusl"
wrote: I could caption most of your HK photos if you like. I hope you pointed out the koalas climbing the Lippo Centre (formerly Bond Centre). Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Missed them (I'm sure you'll elaborate:-) You have a photo of them. See the three buildings horizontally, above where it says: "Then there were the buildings. I enjoy looking at buildings, old and new, comparing styles and architecture."? At right is the new Bank of China, HSBC in the middle and on the left is the Lippo Centre. See the six koalas hugging it, three on each side? Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore This one? http://bp1.blogger.com/_GGuBLqgIbHs/...h/DSCF7452.JPG I'll be darned. I can see it now. Never occurred to me:-) Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Hong Kong |
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I think everyone is reading Viviane's meaning incorrectly. I think she's
trying to say, it's hard to understand the effect the first WW had on Aussies unless you're an Aussie. In that case she's wrong. None of them lived through it and they're feeling what they've been told to feel about it. The experience of participating in a vicarious orgy of faked-up grief over hyped-up martyrs you never knew or thought of caring about until Rupert Murdoch told you about them is common to the whole developed media-brainwashed world. The UK's version of it was the death of Diana Spencer. ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts |
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:53:00 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus
address wrote: In that case she's wrong. None of them lived through it and they're feeling what they've been told to feel about it. The experience of participating in a vicarious orgy of faked-up grief over hyped-up martyrs you never knew or thought of caring about until Rupert Murdoch told you about them is common to the whole developed media-brainwashed world. The UK's version of it was the death of Diana Spencer. You really haven't a clue, have you? Sad. 'bye, Alan, Australia -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Hong Kong |
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"Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message ... I think everyone is reading Viviane's meaning incorrectly. I think she's trying to say, it's hard to understand the effect the first WW had on Aussies unless you're an Aussie. In that case she's wrong. None of them lived through it and they're feeling what they've been told to feel about it. The experience of participating in a vicarious orgy of faked-up grief over hyped-up martyrs you never knew or thought of caring about until Rupert Murdoch told you about them is common to the whole developed media-brainwashed world. The UK's version of it was the death of Diana Spencer. Actually, Rupert's dad told us about Gallipoli! It's a bit like how Agincourt is hyped up, which was a rare victory amid a century-long orgy of defeat and expulsion. Nonetheless, Gallipoli will be interesting to see as the place (or interesting to say I've been to the place) from where the myths and legends sprang. I'm taking a trip, not making a political statement. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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"Gerald Oliver Swift" wrote in message ... Wonderful, that that after about 2 weeks or so, we have a meaningful discussion on rte! And also really pleased that some of the regular contributors are still about. And as for my 2 penneth worth..... Cannakkle is a small. non-descript town with a harbour on the Dardanelles - but it is the jumping off point for both Gallipoli and Troy. Irrespective of nationality, interest in WW1, etc., Gallipoli is a MUST - as too, obviously, is Troy. Tours to both sites are widely available just about everywhere in Cannakkale. I don't have my hopes set terribly high, but it will be a worthwhile visit for me. And a harbour on the Dardanelles can't be all bad. Fish sandwiches, at least? Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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morrow used to barter in his local X shop
"Jimmy Olsen Cub Reporter" a écrit dans le message de ... Runge11 wrote: What an interesting, void life ! Please no more details !!! Is Turkey a normal modern place where you simply pay for things or do you have to barter down the price...??? -- Best Greg "grusl" a écrit dans le message ... I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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There's a deal to see at Gallipoli - both in the Anzac Cove area and Cape
Hermes. If your time is limited - as yours is then a guided tour will be best. Be sure you link up with a company which will tour the area of interest to you. Essentially there are Australian and NZ 'hot' spots; British interest points, and the Turkish memorials in both areas. Personally I found the Quinn's Post area (near the Sergeant Mehmet memorial) the most interesting. There are reconstructed trenches on the original lines here too. In the Cannakale Naval Base there is a smallish Turkish military nuseum (not far from the Fort) - it has excellent computer driven (in at least 3 languages) interpretative 'posts' which explain just what lay behind the whole Gallopoli campaign, and how the Turks won. Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty at the time, took a long time to 'live down' the disaster he inspired. You can - of course - also get easily to Troy from Cannakale. We spent 3 nights at Gelibolu (the Turkish town near the Battlefields National Park) and rented a car - so we moved at our own pace to just what we wanted to see - but still took 4 full days to see everything we wanted to in the area. The ferry from Cannakale to the battlefield is frequent and fairly quick. "grusl" wrote in message ... I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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