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Istanbul and Gallipoli
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:23:51 +0530, "grusl"
wrote: Thanks. I could caption most of your HK photos if you like. I hope you pointed out the koalas climbing the Lippo Centre (formerly Bond Centre). Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Just a follow-up. I asked Mum for details, but she fell and broke her wrist on Anzac eve and lost interest in sight-seeing after that. If your hotel doesn't work out, the Zeynep Sultan is a bit downscale from yours (E60-70 range, 3*) but we liked it. You can see it's location from those pix. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Hong Kong |
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"Alan S" wrote in message ... On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:23:51 +0530, "grusl" wrote: Thanks. I could caption most of your HK photos if you like. I hope you pointed out the koalas climbing the Lippo Centre (formerly Bond Centre). Just a follow-up. I asked Mum for details, but she fell and broke her wrist on Anzac eve and lost interest in sight-seeing after that. If your hotel doesn't work out, the Zeynep Sultan is a bit downscale from yours (E60-70 range, 3*) but we liked it. You can see it's location from those pix. Is it particularly rocky or otherwise awkward to navigate? Cheers George W Russell Bangalore |
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On 4 Jun, 15:07, Norman Spiney wrote:
On 4 Jun, 15:59, Surreyman wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / *Pamukkale are much more interesting- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That depends on one's interests. Gallipoli is fascinating assuming you're not just there for the scenery. Goreme is terrific for the scenery of course. Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. And don't forget Troy while at Gallipoli. Pamukkale was one of my disappointments, if anything. Horses for courses. Surreyman Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, Pergamon was great because it was devoid of tourists. by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. exactly, theres a **** load of stuff better than Gallipoli what was wrong with Pamukkale ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I said, simply, "horses for courses". For instance, Priene is probably my favourite archeo site, but others might not agree. And some of the caravanserai in the east are amongst the most evocative sites possible. The attractions of Gallipoli have nothing to do with scenery whatsoever, of course. You might prefer Bodrum. But, wherever, that's your privilege. Surreyman |
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On 4 Jun, 15:13, Norman Spiney wrote:
On 4 Jun, 16:02, Surreyman wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:03, "Viviane" wrote: That's a pretty tasteless comment. *Those graves mean a lot to those visiting Gallipoli, particularly Australians and New Zealanders, who lost many men there. *Tours there are becoming increasingly popular, particularly in the lead up to the centenary of the battle. *The good thing is that it is kindling an interest in history, even the bad bits. If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation caused by the first world war. *Remember that these were mainly young men who volunteered to join, purely out of patriotism to help fight a war at the other end of the world. *Back then, it took months by sea to get there. Many families lost all their men. *Many small towns lost many of their young men. *All this from a small growing nation. I could go on and on. "Norman Spiney" wrote in message .... On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hear, hear! Surreyman ...you bought that **** too...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That simply deserves no comment. Surreyman |
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On 4 Jun, 17:26, "tims next home" wrote:
"Norman Spiney" wrote in message ... On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, --------------------------------------------------------------- Battlefield sites in general are overrated IMHO . I have never yet been to one that didn't look just like a farmer's field tim If that's your attitude, it's little wonder that you have no interest. Hint: It doesn't matter if there's a mountai there or not. You're entitled to your view. But there's no reason to be so antagonistic to others'. Surreyman |
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" A Mate" wrote in message u... There's a deal to see at Gallipoli - both in the Anzac Cove area and Cape Hermes. If your time is limited - as yours is then a guided tour will be best. Be sure you link up with a company which will tour the area of interest to you. Essentially there are Australian and NZ 'hot' spots; British interest points, and the Turkish memorials in both areas. Personally I found the Quinn's Post area (near the Sergeant Mehmet memorial) the most interesting. There are reconstructed trenches on the original lines here too. In the Cannakale Naval Base there is a smallish Turkish military nuseum (not far from the Fort) - it has excellent computer driven (in at least 3 languages) interpretative 'posts' which explain just what lay behind the whole Gallopoli campaign, and how the Turks won. Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty at the time, took a long time to 'live down' the disaster he inspired. You can - of course - also get easily to Troy from Cannakale. We spent 3 nights at Gelibolu (the Turkish town near the Battlefields National Park) and rented a car - so we moved at our own pace to just what we wanted to see - but still took 4 full days to see everything we wanted to in the area. The ferry from Cannakale to the battlefield is frequent and fairly quick. Thanks for that - very helpful. The heads-up on the military museum is especially appreciated. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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On 5 Jun, 11:38, Surreyman wrote:
On 4 Jun, 15:07, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 15:59, Surreyman wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options.. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / Pamukkale are much more interesting- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That depends on one's interests. Gallipoli is fascinating assuming you're not just there for the scenery. Goreme is terrific for the scenery of course. Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. And don't forget Troy while at Gallipoli. Pamukkale was one of my disappointments, if anything. Horses for courses. Surreyman Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, Pergamon was great because it was devoid of tourists. by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. exactly, theres a **** load of stuff better than Gallipoli what was wrong with Pamukkale ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I said, simply, "horses for courses". For instance, Priene is probably my favourite archeo site, but others might not agree. And some of the caravanserai in the east are amongst the most evocative sites possible. The attractions of Gallipoli have nothing to do with scenery whatsoever, of course. You might prefer Bodrum. But, wherever, that's your privilege. Surreyman Bodrum was good for drinking and shagging IIRC but otherwise not much to see. I repeat, what was wrong with Pamukkale ? |
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I should add - that we visited the Military Museum on a Turkish Public
Holiday. Approached the first computer post, only to find it 'occupied' by adolsecent Turkish youths. We made rude (Australian) noises - but the youths all stood aside eventually to reveal that they'd set the computer system up for us in 'English'! Not the first, nor the last example we experienced in 4 weeks in Turkey - of the truly hospitable nature of the people! You'll surely enjoy the country. Different, but nicely so! "grusl" wrote in message ... " A Mate" wrote in message u... There's a deal to see at Gallipoli - both in the Anzac Cove area and Cape Hermes. If your time is limited - as yours is then a guided tour will be best. Be sure you link up with a company which will tour the area of interest to you. Essentially there are Australian and NZ 'hot' spots; British interest points, and the Turkish memorials in both areas. Personally I found the Quinn's Post area (near the Sergeant Mehmet memorial) the most interesting. There are reconstructed trenches on the original lines here too. In the Cannakale Naval Base there is a smallish Turkish military nuseum (not far from the Fort) - it has excellent computer driven (in at least 3 languages) interpretative 'posts' which explain just what lay behind the whole Gallopoli campaign, and how the Turks won. Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty at the time, took a long time to 'live down' the disaster he inspired. You can - of course - also get easily to Troy from Cannakale. We spent 3 nights at Gelibolu (the Turkish town near the Battlefields National Park) and rented a car - so we moved at our own pace to just what we wanted to see - but still took 4 full days to see everything we wanted to in the area. The ferry from Cannakale to the battlefield is frequent and fairly quick. Thanks for that - very helpful. The heads-up on the military museum is especially appreciated. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore |
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:04:20 +0530, "grusl"
wrote: "Alan S" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:23:51 +0530, "grusl" wrote: Thanks. I could caption most of your HK photos if you like. I hope you pointed out the koalas climbing the Lippo Centre (formerly Bond Centre). Just a follow-up. I asked Mum for details, but she fell and broke her wrist on Anzac eve and lost interest in sight-seeing after that. If your hotel doesn't work out, the Zeynep Sultan is a bit downscale from yours (E60-70 range, 3*) but we liked it. You can see it's location from those pix. Is it particularly rocky or otherwise awkward to navigate? Cheers George W Russell Bangalore Not as far as I'm aware; not for modern tourists anyway. It was pretty tough for the Anzacs. Mum tripped walking down the street. As I'm 61 you can guess that she's no longer a spring chicken:-) Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com Latest: Hong Kong |
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On 5 Jun, 10:51, Spiney Norman wrote:
On 5 Jun, 11:38, Surreyman wrote: On 4 Jun, 15:07, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 15:59, Surreyman wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 12:05, grusl wrote: On Jun 4, 2:37 pm, Norman Spiney wrote: On 4 Jun, 11:22, "grusl" wrote: I'm off to Istanbul for a few days this month. First visit to Turkey and basically a spur-of-the-moment idea while my wife is visiting her mother. I'm flying BLR-IST with GF (two four-hour hops with a two hour layover in BAH and, being GF, will no doubt be late), which cost INR40,000 - about USD1000 - and staying at the Turing Ayasofya Konaklari in Sogukçesme sokagi in the Sultanahmet district at EUR120 per night. (No doubt those diacritics won't come out). In the middle of the stay I'm planning for an overnight trip to Gallipoli via Canakkale. The hotel says it does group tours, which I don't especially mind in an unfamiliar country (and especially if there are knowledgable veterans on the tour ... not from the original 1915 conflict of course), but if anyone knows a more interesting way to see the battlefield sites and memorials I'm listening. I'm OK with bus, train or car options. I have the LP guide to Istanbul and I'm basically interested in the city's history, architecture, art, museums, walking, and eating and drinking (restaurant and raki bar recommendations welcome; I'm completely omnivorous). I'm not a shopper. I take photos but not well. My brief research into Canakkale gives the general impression it's a swinging university town but I may have to adjust that for local sentiments. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore all that time and expense just to see some graves ?!- Hide quoted text - Yes, I suppose Westminster Abbey falls into the same category. The time is negligible - overnight - and I don't know about the cost yet. Cheers, George W Russell Bangalore Westminster Abbey is a large historic building in the centre of London.... Gallipoli is overrated, Pergammon / Goreme / *Pamukkale are much more interesting- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That depends on one's interests. Gallipoli is fascinating assuming you're not just there for the scenery. Goreme is terrific for the scenery of course. Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. And don't forget Troy while at Gallipoli. Pamukkale was one of my disappointments, if anything. Horses for courses. Surreyman Pergamon is well beaten, in my view, Pergamon was great because it was devoid of tourists. by several other archeological sites you haven't even mentioned. exactly, theres a **** load of stuff better than Gallipoli what was wrong with Pamukkale ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I said, simply, "horses for courses". For instance, Priene is probably my favourite archeo site, but others might not agree. And some of the caravanserai in the east are amongst the most evocative sites possible. The attractions of Gallipoli have nothing to do with scenery whatsoever, of course. You might prefer Bodrum. But, wherever, that's your privilege. Surreyman Bodrum was good for drinking and shagging IIRC but otherwise not much to see. I repeat, what was wrong with Pamukkale ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When I was last there, at least, all but a few basins were drained and, in a fit of eco madness (later stopped) officials insisted that we all had to walk over the dry basins in bare feet - bloody painful! Crowded out with tourists (no, I wasn't really one, I was staying at length nearby). Vaguely interesting geomorphologically, but Hierapolis above, and the remainder of the Menderes valley, is far more intersting if in the area. But, as I keep saying, horses for courses. Surreyman |
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