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Typical Muslim fascism
"Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" wrote in message ... What's the harm in publishing them here? Is there anything wrong with doing so? It would help your argument, right? So why the holdup? It requires more study than that. For example the exact dates that these hadiths were gathered and in what quantitites. So how are you going to get the exact dates? By asking your prata seller? These are not available directly but must be processed from all the available date at the internet and text books. LOL. Is this like searching for your papers in the internet and finding NONE? I am compiling them but it is not my highest priority. Really? First do you know Arabic? How do you know what the Hadiths are saying if you do not know Arabic? You claimed that translations can never reveal the real meaning of anything done in Arabic. But then...you're LIAR aren't you? LOL. For your info, Buhari started collecting hadith at the age of 10, about 194 years after the death of Muhammad. HAHA.... How do you know he started at 10? Is this from your "intelligence website"? I say about because some data is not accurate, like the death of Muhammad. So now you claim the data are not accurate. Apparently you dare not show any evidence for any of your assertion...and your statements are as good as BS. Which data do you think is not accurate? Why do you think they are not accurate? Have you got a better measurement system that you can prove you have greater accuracy? (From your record of postings...more irrelevant stupidity will follow...LOL) But then how come you know that Bukhari started at 10 which is a more obscure fact than the death of the prophet? What a fake scientist you are.. Go back to toilet cleaning....if thats not your job....then it should be...LOL Anyway....the cats out of the bag. Even though you tried very hard to BS your way thru, you finally admitted that the closest claimed collector of the Hadiths lived 194 year AFTER the prophet's death...(but then..we cannot assume that you won't try te claim that the death date of the prophet was falsified....LOL) Which brings us back to the question of HOW THE HELL did the he (Bukhari) interview the people narrating the Hadiths and was able to determine their reliability and honesty....when he lived 194 years AFTER the prophets death? How far down the line in the chain of narrators was he able to meet personally and interview? And typically....how many narrators in a chain of narrators was required to pass on ONE Hadiths until it reached Bukhari? How many people did one Hadiths have to pass thru from the time of the prophet to the time of Bukhari? Hehe....as usual...our fake scientist will come up with more irrelevant answers that convince no one..... In fact I won't be suprised our faker here will turn around and then claim that he's the one that pointed out all these discrepancies when he knows that all the bases are covered already....there's no way for him to wriggle out. Bloody faker and shameless LIAR. |
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Typical Muslim fascism
"michael" wrote in message ... For your info, Buhari started collecting hadith at the age of 10, about 194 years after the death of Muhammad. I say about because some data is not accurate, like the death of Muhammad. Ok .. then it is about 194 years after the death of the Prophet, give or take a few years or about 200 years. Err...we better ask him for his source... He would turn around later and claimed its a mistake. So Buhari was collecting documents to compile into the Hadith some 200 years after the death of the Prophet. How many postings have to be made just for this moron to come clean with such a simple answer after all the twisting and turning he did? |
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Typical Muslim fascism
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"michael" wrote in message ... For your info, Buhari started collecting hadith at the age of 10, about 194 years after the death of Muhammad. I say about because some data is not accurate, like the death of Muhammad. Ok .. then it is about 194 years after the death of the Prophet, give or take a few years or about 200 years. Err...we better ask him for his source... He would turn around later and claimed its a mistake. Right. He said so himself. He often mixes up information with facts. regards, michael ... So Buhari was collecting documents to compile into the Hadith some 200 years after the death of the Prophet. How many postings have to be made just for this moron to come clean with such a simple answer after all the twisting and turning he did? |
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Typical Muslim fascism
Indeed, I noticed. It took so long and such persistence to get such a simple
answer out, regarding Bukhari's Hadith task and the Prophet's death date. However, I'm glad we got some figures, though its conclusivity is unclear from a lack of a stated source. |
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Typical Muslim fascism
"Jack." wrote in message ... Indeed, I noticed. It took so long and such persistence to get such a simple answer out, regarding Bukhari's Hadith task and the Prophet's death date. Exactly why many posters are frustrated in trying to "debate" sensibly with them. They seem to have an agenda to waste everyone's time. However, I'm glad we got some figures, though its conclusivity is unclear from a lack of a stated source. Hmmm....another round of a hundred postings might just get him to reveal the website he's mugging now just to show us that he's in the loop. Though it would be very clear to us by now that he's not. |
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Typical Muslim fascism
(michael) wrote in message ...
In article , says... "Pan" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 6 May 2004 21:02:40 +0800, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" wrote: ... .... So Buhari was collecting documents to compile into the Hadith some 200 years after the death of the Prophet. This is about right but is not relevant to the discussion. The discussion was about the hadith. Buhari is just one of many collectors. In Malaysia we follow the Shafie Mazab but from my first reading he died 150 years after Muhamamd and he quote many hadith as well. regards, michael ... |
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Typical Muslim fascism
"Observer" wrote in message ...
"Jack." wrote in message ... Indeed, I noticed. It took so long and such persistence to get such a simple answer out, regarding Bukhari's Hadith task and the Prophet's death date. All these facts are availabe for anyonw to refer if they really care. You don't need posters in the internet to do tha free job for you. Not that we are not aware of events and knowledgeable about it, just as we are knowledgeable about world afairs but not sure of the exact dates and sources. Exactly why many posters are frustrated in trying to "debate" sensibly with them. I don't think there is any debate from you. Only wild accusations without any basis at all and dishonest remarks. I don't think you want any truth at all but mockery. If the mockery is justified, it is a different story, but in your case it is always stupidity. Just like this present post as usual. Despite the lack of obscenities, there is little contribution from you apart from making silly remarks, like I DEMAND FREE INFORMATION. They seem to have an agenda to waste everyone's time. If you don't want to waste your time, why don't read from the sources, instead of lying about it. 250 years and then 200 years, all of which are out. However, I'm glad we got some figures, though its conclusivity is unclear from a lack of a stated source. I don't think you'll ever get the source. Hmmm....another round of a hundred postings For you, even if it were Millions, it won't matter so I never bother. might just get him to reveal the website he's mugging now just to show us that he's in the loop. So you think I get my information from the web only. Don't ever equate yourself with others. Though it would be very clear to us by now that he's not. Of course not. I am not as moronic as you are. |
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Typical Muslim fascism
"Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" wrote in message om... Indeed, I noticed. It took so long and such persistence to get such a simple answer out, regarding Bukhari's Hadith task and the Prophet's death date. All these facts are availabe for anyonw to refer if they really care. LOL... When you try to convince others that your Hadiths was reliable...you have to provide evidence for it...MORON... And not for others to search for evidence to support your assertion. You don't need posters in the internet to do tha free job for you. Hehe...its you that want others to give you free information....only you were caught this time... Not that we are not aware of events and knowledgeable about it, just as we are knowledgeable about world afairs but not sure of the exact dates and sources. LOL... You claimed that you were more educated is Islam that others here.. So what happened...another of you LIE got busted? Exactly why many posters are frustrated in trying to "debate" sensibly with them. I don't think there is any debate from you. Yeah...and we know you have problems with definitions of words.... When you got caught...your usual modus operandi is to redefine the meaning of English words....LOL. Only wild accusations without any basis at all and dishonest remarks. What accusations? I aksed for the dates ...since you claim to be a know all.... LOL. I don't think you want any truth at all but mockery. From you...who claim that "you are the facts" in itself...LOL. If the mockery is justified, it is a different story, but in your case it is always stupidity. Hehe...whether its justified or not....its for others to decide and not you... Just like this present post as usual. Despite the lack of obscenities, there is little contribution from you apart from making silly remarks, like I DEMAND FREE INFORMATION. Nope..you LIAR. I demand for PROOF. You claimed to be more educated that non Muslims in Islam....you were asked specific questions to test your knowledge and honesty about the subjects you claim to have intimate knowledge... So whats your theory now... Are the Hadiths 100% reliable? Are you sure they are 100% from the mouth of the prophet? Hehe..are the above questions asking for free information or what? LOL. They seem to have an agenda to waste everyone's time. If you don't want to waste your time, why don't read from the sources, Why should I read the sources when you claimed to know the answers and yet could not provide the proof that you indeed know them? Its not about the information...its about exposing your lies...MORON. Now once again.... Did your Hadith collectors meet with the earlier alleged narrators of the Hadiths? Did your "exact dates" prove that the Hadiths were 100% reliable as you claimed in your earlier MORONIC postings? The debate is NOT on the dates you MORON... Its about the RELIABILITY of the Hadiths which we had to expose your LIES by taking a longer winding road as you are such a shameless LIAR. So now after having been forced or tricked into revealing the dates....hehe....now can you begin to explain WHY you bleat like a donkey claiming that the Hadiths are infallible? Go on...donkey....have a good time trying to twist and turn...to LIE your way thru.... LOL. instead of lying about it. 250 years and then 200 years, all of which are out. Haha....the fact remains that you were forced to admit that they live centuries apart. And that its not material whether the exact dates were gotten....in fact you even tried to imply earlier...or complicit to the LIE that ajali tried to perpetrate....that is...that the collectors were able to interview the narrators and determine their honesty... You did NOT correct ajali to the nearest year... You did NOT point out the discrepancy on the gap of time between their birth dates and the life lived by the narrators... Yet you try to claim victory when we CORRECTLY estimated the time gap between the prophet and the Hadiths narrators... Lets see...how far were we off? 194 years versus 200 years? What a dihonest monkey your are...trying to deceitfully change the focus of the debate... However, I'm glad we got some figures, though its conclusivity is unclear from a lack of a stated source. I don't think you'll ever get the source. Haha.... From a dishonest monkey like you...of course not. Hmmm....another round of a hundred postings For you, even if it were Millions, it won't matter so I never bother. Of course you would not (hehe..dare not actually) The questions I asked are definitely designed to expose any LIE and DECEIT any monkey like can dish out. Trying to claim to be knowledgeable in Islam and then trying very hard to appear to "refuse" to answer when you actually do not know the answers... LOL. might just get him to reveal the website he's mugging now just to show us that he's in the loop. So you think I get my information from the web only. Don't ever equate yourself with others. Hehe...ok sorry..you did mention you kids' school books.... LOL. Though it would be very clear to us by now that he's not. Of course not. I am not as moronic as you are. Thank you for disassociating yourself from me... Your words have no value....as it has already been proven that you are capable of LIES and deceit. Your actions are the ones that we use to judge you....you MORON. And though you claim not to try very hard to deceitfully act as if you know what you obviously do not.....your posture and attitude throughout this thread and others related proved otherwise. You are just a monkey that want to be accepted in a civilized society....but refusing to let go of your monkey behaviour.... Good luck with your quest.... PS...I 'll still be around to shoot holes is your LIES and generally BIG BULL****. LOL. |
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Typical Muslim fascism
On Sun, 9 May 2004 21:58:00 +0800, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad"
wrote: "Pan" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 6 May 2004 21:02:40 +0800, "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" wrote: ... What's the harm in publishing them here? Is there anything wrong with doing so? It would help your argument, right? So why the holdup? It requires more study than that. For example the exact dates that these hadiths were gathered and in what quantitites. These are not available directly but must be processed from all the available date at the internet and text books. I am compiling them but it is not my highest priority. For your info, Buhari started collecting hadith at the age of 10, about 194 years after the death of Muhammad. I say about because some data is not accurate, like the death of Muhammad. The main point is that is several generations after the death of the prophet, so it seems to me that the point is made. I do understand that the details can be complex. Michael If you would like to send a private email to me, please take out the TRASH, so to speak. Please do not email me something which you also posted. |
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