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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
"john grove" wrote in message
om... Posted on Sun, Mar. 21, 2004 ELECTION 2004 State voting worries persist BY LESLEY CLARK AND PETER WALLSTEN During this month's Democratic presidential primary in Florida, an elections staffer in Polk County mistakenly gave five voters extra ballots -- giving them the chance to vote twice. Only people who are residents of Florida can vote there, so your post isn't approriate for some of the other newsgroups. Florida must solve its own problems and outsiders can't be of any help to people in Florida on this issue. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
"Rich" wrote in message ...
While I certainly understand the concern here, I just can't help but think that perhaps this post doesn't belong in the RADP group. Which of course didn't prevent you from reposting the entire article.. Trimming posts...it's a good thing... |
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
"alohacyberian" wrote in message ...
"john grove" wrote in message om... Posted on Sun, Mar. 21, 2004 ELECTION 2004 State voting worries persist BY LESLEY CLARK AND PETER WALLSTEN During this month's Democratic presidential primary in Florida, an elections staffer in Polk County mistakenly gave five voters extra ballots -- giving them the chance to vote twice. Only people who are residents of Florida can vote there, so your post isn't approriate for some of the other newsgroups. Florida must solve its own problems and outsiders can't be of any help to people in Florida on this issue. KM Visitors to FL contribute tax dollars to the state, which are used in situations like this. When visitor spending drops, local politicians will notice. JG |
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
"john grove" wrote in message
m... "alohacyberian" wrote in message ... "john grove" wrote in message om... Posted on Sun, Mar. 21, 2004 ELECTION 2004 State voting worries persist BY LESLEY CLARK AND PETER WALLSTEN During this month's Democratic presidential primary in Florida, an elections staffer in Polk County mistakenly gave five voters extra ballots -- giving them the chance to vote twice. Only people who are residents of Florida can vote there, so your post isn't approriate for some of the other newsgroups. Florida must solve its own problems and outsiders can't be of any help to people in Florida on this issue. KM Visitors to FL contribute tax dollars to the state, which are used in situations like this. When visitor spending drops, local politicians will notice. JG Nevertheless, visitors can't vote in Florida. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
"alohacyberian" wrote in message ...
Only people who are residents of Florida can vote there, so your post isn't approriate for some of the other newsgroups. Florida must solve its own problems and outsiders can't be of any help to people in Florida on this issue. Florida isn't a republic unto itself, it's part of the USA. When the voting process screws up in a presidential election, it's a national matter. |
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
(john grove) wrote in message . com...
Posted on Sun, Mar. 21, 2004 ELECTION 2004 State voting worries persist BY LESLEY CLARK AND PETER WALLSTEN During this month's Democratic presidential primary in Florida, an elections staffer in Polk County mistakenly gave five voters extra ballots -- giving them the chance to vote twice. In Bay County in the Panhandle, a technical error gave Richard Gephardt more votes than presumptive nominee John Kerry -- even though Gephardt had dropped out six weeks earlier. In Miami-Dade, a Herald reporter registered as having no party affiliation was urged by a precinct staffer to vote in the Democratic primary after the poll worker mistakenly activated the wrong ballot on the touch-screen voting machine. I would never trust a touch-screen voting machine, for there is no way to verify the results. Here in Illinois we use a mark-sensing ballot (blacken the ovals) which worked beautifully in the primary AND keeps the ballot so recounts from the original ballots are possible. Many of the touch screens are made by Diebold, and I would never trust one of those. The CEO of Diebold announced a few weeks ago that he would do ANYTHING to re-elect George Bush. So would you trust machines that are manufactured and wired by this guy??? I think not. Printing a copy of a "ballot" is no solution; if the vote is fraudulently recorded, the printed copy will show no evidence of tampering. |
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:02:22 -0800, Chris the Liberal wrote:
I would never trust a touch-screen voting machine, for there is no way to verify the results. Not directly, no. I agree with you 100% in that respect. Here in Illinois we use a mark-sensing ballot (blacken the ovals) which worked beautifully in the primary AND keeps the ballot so recounts from the original ballots are possible. Some counties in Florida use the optical-scan system, too. I know for a fact that Polk did during the 2000 and 2002 elections, and if memory serves, so did Citrus. Many of the touch screens are made by Diebold, and I would never trust one of those. The CEO of Diebold announced a few weeks ago that he would do ANYTHING to re-elect George Bush. So would you trust machines that are manufactured and wired by this guy??? I think not. I don't know if I believe the quote (mind providing a source for that?), but I definitely wouldn't trust their machines, given what I've heard about their quality and their lack of protection against tampering. Printing a copy of a "ballot" is no solution; if the vote is fraudulently recorded, the printed copy will show no evidence of tampering. Distinguo. You're mixing up two separate systems. You seem to assume that the vote is still digitally recorded. However, some (if not most) printed-ballot systems print the actual ballot, which must be placed in the ballot box to be counted. This system combines the ease-of-use of touch-screen voting (which I don't entirely believe, but) and the provability of optical-scan voting. That being said, I prefer the optical-scan systems for price reasons and for the intuitive-use factor. Most people can figure out how to fill in a bubble (anyone who's taken the SAT certainly knows) but some seniors may have trouble with the touchscreen voting machines. -- Benjamin Geiger My real email address isn't a _spamtrap. WDW 4/6/03 - 4/6/04: Anytime I want! Hooray being local! |
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Unreliable elections still happening in Florida, Supporters of Democracy take note
"Chris the Liberal" wrote in message
om... In Miami-Dade, a Herald reporter registered as having no party affiliation was urged by a precinct staffer to vote in the Democratic primary after the poll worker mistakenly activated the wrong ballot on the touch-screen voting machine. I would never trust a touch-screen voting machine, for there is no way to verify the results. Yes, the results can be verified provided the selections are printed out on a sheet of paper for checking after balloting. KM -- (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all about Hawaii, Israel and mo http://keith.martin.home.att.net/ |
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