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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:34:25 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:51:36 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:09:37 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:34:20 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: First of all any story in the Sun needs to betaken with a very large pinch of salt, and secondly any brief look at just about any UK police web site will tell you that the H&K weapons are not capable of fully automatic fire. So they are simply large capacity assault weapons? Can you define 'assault weapon' for me please? As far as I'm a ware it's a US propaganda term for 'big scary black gun'. So the police themselves are lying about carrying machine guns? I very much doubt an policeman ever called these weapons 'machine guns'. I also doubt you or I would either. Odd that I keep finding countless references to the British Police carrying machine guns... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36 The British police use the special version, developed I understand for an FBI requirement, for a self loading non fully automatic capable version. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
David Monaghan writes:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:51:04 -0800, DevilsPGD wrote: In message someone claiming to be David Monaghan typed: If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. The point isn't eliminating people that don't count, but rather, eliminating people who voluntarily place themselves in harm's way. The law doesn't see it that way and neither do statisticians. But in deciding where to live to be reasonably safe, it seems like it might be relevant. Most murders aren't in fact random. -- David Dyer-Bennet, ; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
In message someone claiming to be bill
typed: Can you define 'assault weapon' for me please? As far as I'm a ware it's a US propaganda term for 'big scary black gun'. That seems to be the case. In Canada it was recently decided that a kinda-sorta-looks-like-an-AK47 gun should be illegal: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...586/story.html Smart! -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:06:06 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: Then you can provide those claimed mistakes were actually erronious and not actually mistakes at all...but your "source" was trying to cover up the fact that armed citizens were involved in helping the police. Trot them out if you would be so kind. Ill be waiting with amused interest. I already gave it, and it's the same book that Wikipedia gives. The Battle of Stepney, Colin Rogers Please note that on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Si...detectives.jpg There's a picture of the house on fire. No sign of artillery damage at all... Odd..I cant see if there is any or not. Small bore arty was common in 1911 Under 1" was very common Which reminds me...you claimed they were shooting .380s 7.65 mm Browning (.32 ACP) from the listing of the Dreyse used in the various shootings Now Im rather curious....how you went from the Tottenham Outrage in 1909..to this event in 1911. Did you by any chance have a stroke? Which reminds me... http://web.archive.org/web/200910280...utrage1909.htm "In addition to the two deaths, there was a large number of injuries to both the police and civilians. At the time of the 'Outrage' there was not the prohibition of today on private firearm possession. Some of the participants in the chase carried guns and had probably served in the Army, both here and overseas, keeping their weapons as souvenirs.The official reports lists 7 wounded Police Officers and 17 wounded civilians." http://pfoa.co.uk/193/the-tottenham-outrage Constables Bond and Fraiser jumped through one of the windows of the police station into Chestnut Road and other officers, who were aroused from sleep, hastily put on whatever clothing immediately came to hand and ran out the front entrance to join the hue and cry. When the robbers turned and fired at them, Bond used a ‘small revolver’ he had borrowed from a passer-by to fire four shots in return but they all missed. ....... According to Superintendent Jenkins: ‘The chase which had now become most desperate was continued with splendid determination. The murderers proceeded over the footbridge spanning the Great Eastern Railway, then in a north easterly direction to the west bank of the River Lea. Following this course to Chalk Bridge which spans the river just beyond the rifle butts, thence onto the Mill Stream Bridge where they held the crowd at bay for a considerable time’. It was here that Cyril Burgess was hit in the ankle. Several men who had been duck shooting on Tottenham Marshes and nearby Banbury Reservoir had joined in the chase and they used their shotguns to return fire. It was here that Constable Nicod decided that enough was enough. He too borrowed what Jenkins described as a ‘revolver’ from someone in the crowd and went forward. Kneeling down on the bank of the river he took aim and squeezed the trigger. Nothing happened. Although described as a ‘revolver’ it may well have been that it was a self-loading pistol and that the officer was unfamiliar with how it worked. In any event he beat a hasty retreat and both Hefeld and Lepidus fired at him. He was hit twice but subsequently recovered from his wounds." Odd..the last was from the Police Firearms Officers Association wasnt it? VBG So far..you are loosing..and badly Oh...as a side note..the other pistol appears to be a Bergman, both from discription OF the maker and from photos.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann_1896 Cartridge 5mm Bergmann (nº 2) 6.5mm Bergmann (nº 3) 8x22mm Bergmann (nº 4) 5 round FIXED magazine Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:09:52 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:34:25 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:51:36 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:09:37 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:34:20 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: First of all any story in the Sun needs to betaken with a very large pinch of salt, and secondly any brief look at just about any UK police web site will tell you that the H&K weapons are not capable of fully automatic fire. So they are simply large capacity assault weapons? Can you define 'assault weapon' for me please? As far as I'm a ware it's a US propaganda term for 'big scary black gun'. So the police themselves are lying about carrying machine guns? I very much doubt an policeman ever called these weapons 'machine guns'. I also doubt you or I would either. Odd that I keep finding countless references to the British Police carrying machine guns... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36 The British police use the special version, developed I understand for an FBI requirement, for a self loading non fully automatic capable version. Except of course for the Fully Automatic 36C which I also posted links to. The Metro actually... VBG Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:25:02 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:09:52 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 04:34:25 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:51:36 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:09:37 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:34:20 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:20:29 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: First of all any story in the Sun needs to betaken with a very large pinch of salt, and secondly any brief look at just about any UK police web site will tell you that the H&K weapons are not capable of fully automatic fire. So they are simply large capacity assault weapons? Can you define 'assault weapon' for me please? As far as I'm a ware it's a US propaganda term for 'big scary black gun'. So the police themselves are lying about carrying machine guns? I very much doubt an policeman ever called these weapons 'machine guns'. I also doubt you or I would either. Odd that I keep finding countless references to the British Police carrying machine guns... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G36 The British police use the special version, developed I understand for an FBI requirement, for a self loading non fully automatic capable version. Except of course for the Fully Automatic 36C which I also posted links to. I noticed. I don't for one moment imagine you have a primary sourcerather than athe yellow press as a source do you? Quite seriously I would like one because I could then make some quite serious trouble for the 'met' when I get back. But I imagine all you've actually got is a gutter journalist with a copy of 'Small Arms of the World' and a blurry photograph. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:23:43 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:06:06 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: Then you can provide those claimed mistakes were actually erronious and not actually mistakes at all...but your "source" was trying to cover up the fact that armed citizens were involved in helping the police. Trot them out if you would be so kind. Ill be waiting with amused interest. I already gave it, and it's the same book that Wikipedia gives. The Battle of Stepney, Colin Rogers Please note that on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Si...detectives.jpg There's a picture of the house on fire. No sign of artillery damage at all... Odd..I cant see if there is any or not. Small bore arty was common in 1911 Under 1" was very common No it wasn't, not in UK domestic service anyway. There may have been the odd 'pom pom' about but that wouldn't have been available in London. Which reminds me...you claimed they were shooting .380s Nope. Re-read. 7.65 Mauser, a bottle neck pistol cartridge. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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