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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:43:22 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:34:13 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
wrote:

On 14 Aug 2006 18:09:13 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:

No. Just pointing out the fact that the reason so many Euros have
passports is due to hatred and bigotry, not some cultural superiority
as has been implied.

Very bizzare response.

Not as bizarre as it looks at first glance. Passports are a
result of World War One.

His inclusion of the phrase "so many" suggests that's not what he
meant.
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:00:56 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:43:22 -0700, Hatunen wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:34:13 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
wrote:

On 14 Aug 2006 18:09:13 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:

No. Just pointing out the fact that the reason so many Euros have
passports is due to hatred and bigotry, not some cultural superiority
as has been implied.

Very bizzare response.

Not as bizarre as it looks at first glance. Passports are a
result of World War One.

His inclusion of the phrase "so many" suggests that's not what he
meant.

I have no idea what he actually meant. The phrasing doesn't make
a lot of sense.

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:00:52 +0100, The Reid
wrote:

Following up to Dave Frightens Me

Contrast this with Athens and Berlin. A tiny minority of the people have
shared fluency in any language.

Almost all speak English.

*chuckle*

You would be one of those ignorant yanks if you believe this!

that's a classic, "everybody in Europe speaks English". Is the
man trolling?

In all fairness, he didn't say "everybody".

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Hatunen wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
The easiest way to synchronize them is using a common time source.

But there will always be propagation time differences from that
source to the devices being synched.

If you know the location of the clocks you're setting, and you know the
location of your time beacon, then it's a trival matter to cancel out
the radio propagation delay.

This is entirely different from the vagaries of time sync propagation
across the internet, which is Mxsmanic's red herring of the day.

miguel
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Hatunen wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
Greece has its own music video channels that broadcast Greek pop
music; this is not heard anywhere else in Europe. Neither New York
nor New Orleans has any such thing.

Arizona does. Some radio stations in northern Arizona broadcast
in Navajo.

But now you're cherry-picking. To bring this to its logical conclusion,
I can come up with two households in Europe (the Hvmlscz family in the
suburbs of Prague, and the Wongs, a marital unit comprising 7
left-handed quadriplegic lesbians who recently moved from Guangzhou to
Lisbon) which are amazingly different from each other, but that's not
really that illustrative of the general case.

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:54:03 -0400, Miguel Cruz
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
The easiest way to synchronize them is using a common time source.

But there will always be propagation time differences from that
source to the devices being synched.

If you know the location of the clocks you're setting, and you know the
location of your time beacon, then it's a trival matter to cancel out
the radio propagation delay.

This is entirely different from the vagaries of time sync propagation
across the internet, which is Mxsmanic's red herring of the day.

Propagation delays are not necessarily constant, although they
may sometimes be constant enough for the purpose at hand. Not to
mention it takes already syched clocks to determine the delay.

For truly precise work, timekeeper synchronization can be tricky.
But a minute or two will usually get me to the movies on time.


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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:59:59 -0400, Miguel Cruz
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:
Greece has its own music video channels that broadcast Greek pop
music; this is not heard anywhere else in Europe. Neither New York
nor New Orleans has any such thing.

Arizona does. Some radio stations in northern Arizona broadcast
in Navajo.

But now you're cherry-picking. To bring this to its logical conclusion,
I can come up with two households in Europe (the Hvmlscz family in the
suburbs of Prague, and the Wongs, a marital unit comprising 7
left-handed quadriplegic lesbians who recently moved from Guangzhou to
Lisbon) which are amazingly different from each other, but that's not
really that illustrative of the general case.

How is it cherry-picking to point out we have a separate and
distinct culture here up in the Navajo Nation, one that is even
more distinct than Greek culture? I see it quite consistent with
picking Basques and the like as distinct cultures.

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Hatunen wrote:
On 14 Aug 2006 18:00:35 -0700, "Tchiowa"
wrote:


Hatunen wrote:
On 14 Aug 2006 04:14:55 -0700, "Tchiowa"
wrote:

Balkanized is a term that came into common use during the 1990s when
Yugoslavia came apart and the Balkans erupted into war. Balkanized
means that the area has been chopped up into small independent
political entities based on mutual hatred.

You must be young to think the word "Balkanized" came into common
use in the 1990s.

Sorry, but while it may have been used in some circles, *common* usage
didn't happen until the Balkans came apart rather violently in the 90s.

Kind of like the rest of Europe.

Or did you think that all those nations formed by some kind of magic?

THOSE nations were formed in the aftermath of WW1,

Amazing. No Germany or France or England or Italy or Spain or Portugal
or Ireland prior to WWI. All the history books must be wrong.

I didn't know Germany, France, Englnd, Italy and Spain were
Balkan countries. (Please see paragraph above starting
"Balkanized is a term ...")
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"Kind of like the rest of Europe.

Or did you think that all those nations formed by some kind of magic?

THOSE nations were formed in the aftermath of WW1,"
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The *REST* of Europe. And that includes Italy, Spain, etc.

The Reid wrote:
Following up to Hatunen

Nonsense. The difference in culture between New York City, San
Francisco, Miami, New Orleans are every bit as great.

No, they're not.

In many ways they really are. For instance, if you spend any time
in Miami you will quickly realize it is a Caribbean city.

are different parts of US more different than the Basques from
the Galicians from the Catalans from the gypsies from the
madrilanos?

You mean like the Creoles and the Navajo?

(as long as you're talking about small minorities)

Miguel Cruz wrote:
"Tchiowa" wrote:
Miguel Cruz wrote:

The "versions" of English that they speak are different. A high
percentage in both cities speak English as a second language. Spanish
is very common in NYC. French is dominant in New Orleans.

French is not "dominant" in New Orleans.

In some areas of New Orleans you hear more French than English.

Same as some areas in California you hear more Spanish than English.

They have 95% of the same TV channels, substantially the same
popular music and films,

The music scene in New York and New Orleans don't even resemble each
other. New Orleans is famous for it's jazz clubs while NYC is more
classical and show music.

Jazz clubs and Broadway shows are a small proportion of the music
listening that goes on in the respective cities (and come to think of
it, a couple days ago I saw a big New Orleans jazz band in New York;
never went to any shows). Most of the music people are listening to is
top-40 crap that is substantially the same across the USA but much less
the same as the top-40 crap in Europe.

Of course that's the same as Europe. Most listen to the same crap. But
that's not part of the local "culture". Certain areas define certain
music.

Yes, they all watch MTV. But of course so do the people in Berlin and
Athens.

Greece has its own music video channels that broadcast Greek pop music;
this is not heard anywhere else in Europe. Neither New York nor New
Orleans has any such thing.

the same brands in the shops and the same chains of shops.

Same is true for Athens and Berlin.

To a far lesser extent.

20 or more years ago, yes. But the chain stores are all over and the
brands are the same all over these days.

Contrast this with Athens and Berlin. A tiny minority of the people
have shared fluency in any language.

Almost all speak English.

Simply untrue. Many people in Germany speak English at some level; not
nearly so many in Greece. Outside of tourist-facing industries and
international business you will not have an easy time finding English
speakers in Greece older than 30 or so. I lived in Greece, and it became
pretty clear to me pretty quickly who I had to look for in order to find
someone I could communicate with in English.

Again, that has changed. The majority of Euros speak English.

To compare this with the situation in New York and New Orleans, where
almost everyone has shared fluency, is pretty bold.

It's a matter of degree.

They share a handful of TV channels,
mostly the channels that are available in New York and New Orleans as
well. Popular music and films are different, the cuisines have less
overlap,

You think New Orleans food is similar to what you get in NYC?

I think that the regional cuisine in New Orleans is different from
what's most commonly eaten in New York. But that's not all - or even the
majority - of what people there eat. Most of the food eaten in New
Orleans is very similar to most of the food that's eaten in New York.

And you can do exactly the same analysis in Europe.

Basically I think you're comparing the specific regional idiosyncrasies
in New Orleans with those of New York and then pronouncing that the two
cities are very different.

Not at all. I'm saying that there are differences. But I'm also saying
that the same thing applies to Europe. There are "specific regional
idiosyncrasies" but most of the culture is very homogenous throughout
Europe.

Most political issues in NYC are local as are the issues in New
Orleans. "All politics is local."

The elections that people talk about the most in both cities are the
national ones.

Not true at all.