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Old July 30th, 2006, 04:34 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Tchiowa wrote:

Dave Frightens Me wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:51:56 +0200, Mxsmanic
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mrtravel writes:


So, if you think that deaths due to weather happen more due to weather
in the summer. Does it matter if the location is in the northern or
southern hemisphere?

What matters is heat.


What matters is education. Educated people don't die from heat.



Is that why so many French died of heat a couple of years ago?

(Sorry, I couldn't help that one.)


How many educated French people died?
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Old July 30th, 2006, 06:35 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On 29 Jul 2006 20:19:34 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:


Dave Frightens Me wrote:
On 27 Jul 2006 17:19:02 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:
Again you demonstrate a basic lack of understanding. Capitalism didn't
"beat" Communism. Communism/Socialism failed all by itself. Socialism
is a fatally flawed theory and any attempt to implement it will always
fail over time. That has been proven over and over again.


The opposite is currently being demonstrated in the PRC.


Excuse me?????? The PRC is growing quite rapidly now. But there are
apparently 2 things you are unaware of.


'quite rapidly'??? They can barely control it!

The first is that the Chinese government has allowed private ownership
of industry and it is those businesses that are driving the growth.
That's called "Capitalism".


It's the only freedom the people have.

The second is that if the growth continues then eventually the people
will rise up and throw out the last of the Communists and Socialism
will end. If not, then they will reach a point where the economy
plateaus and it will be "way" below the level of the West.


Yeah, yeah, sure. I've heard the same said about the USA, but the
other way round. When it happens I'll come back here and give you
credit for predicting it.
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  #473  
Old July 30th, 2006, 06:40 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On 29 Jul 2006 20:14:53 -0700, "Tchiowa" wrote:


The Reid wrote:


sigh, more playing with words. Capitalism was successful.
Communism wasn't. so the communist countries eventually collapsed
and opted for capitalism. You object to "beat", fine. Was it worth saying
anymore than the bollox about "have you heard of ice ages"?


By saying that "Capitalism beat Socialism" you imply that if it wasn't
for Capitalism then Socialism may have succeeded.


Mike was implying precisely nothing of the sort, and you know it.

My very simple point
is that Socialism cannot succeed. Ever. Any circumstance. It is a
doomed philosophy.


Yeah, blah blah blah...

You seem to continually ignore that it's working just fine in a large
number of very affluent countries.
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Old July 30th, 2006, 06:43 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:34:54 GMT, mrtravel
wrote:

Tchiowa wrote:

Dave Frightens Me wrote:

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:51:56 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:


mrtravel writes:

So, if you think that deaths due to weather happen more due to weather
in the summer. Does it matter if the location is in the northern or
southern hemisphere?

What matters is heat.

What matters is education. Educated people don't die from heat.



Is that why so many French died of heat a couple of years ago?

(Sorry, I couldn't help that one.)


How many educated French people died?


Indeed, if they had been properly educated about how to deal with the
heat, they needn't have died from it.
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Old July 30th, 2006, 06:47 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:44:32 +0200, Mxsmanic
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Miguel Cruz writes:

Because the bodies of more frail people cannot so easily handle extremes
of heat and cold (and shock and pressure and a great many other things).


Are you sure?


He is of course correct. He is stating the bloody obvious after all.

How about pneumonia and flu?


What about them?


Ah, it appears you have resorted to you playing-with-words strategy.
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Old July 30th, 2006, 10:15 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Tchiowa writes:

If people know what they are doing they can protect themselves from the
cold quite easily. A well insulated shelter will do that. But you can't
protect yourself from heat that way. Cold is more dangerous but can be
defended against. Long term heat is less dangerous but you can't
protect yourself against it without something like air conditioning.


Yes, although long-term heat is quite dangerous if it is extreme (just
like short-term heat).

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Old July 30th, 2006, 10:15 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Tchiowa writes:

Is that why so many French died of heat a couple of years ago?


They died mainly because there was no air conditioning.

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Old July 30th, 2006, 10:17 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Dave Frightens Me writes:

Indeed, if they had been properly educated about how to deal with the
heat, they needn't have died from it.


An education would not have helped without the actual tools, such as
air conditioning.

Even now, the government is recommending that people spend at least a
few hours a day in an air-conditioned room. Unfortunately, they don't
explain where people are supposed to find air-conditioned rooms.

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Old July 30th, 2006, 10:26 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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mrtravel writes:

What follows is an example of the same test I did it high school.
I wasn't referring to the common toilet/sink draining rhetoric


Yes, you were. Then you googled, hoping to find that you were right
and I was wrong. Then you discovered that you were wrong, but you
tried to extract anything you could from the page you mention that
would allow you to save face somehow.

You could have saved yourself the embarrassment by doing research in
advance. The only arguably unkind thing I did was to let you crash
and burn, although it would have been hard to avoid, since I knew that
you'd argue with anything rather than look it up, just as you are
doing now after the fact.

Too many people here are more concerned with attacking me than they
are with finding out the truth. They are like schoolboys on a
playground, ready to rumble but without a clue. Look it up _first_,
then speak only if I've clearly made a mistake (which is rare). You
see, I _do_ look things up.

Read that page carefully. Proving a Coriolis effect in a body of
water the size of a sink is incredibly difficult; the page explains
why, and explains what must be done to see it. You will never see the
Coriolis effect in a sink or toilet. It's a longstanding urban legend,
which you repeated without investigation.

Exacty my point. The previous poster (you?) referred to the season at
which most deaths occur in the Northenn Hemisphere. My point was that it
would seem that the deaths in the South would follow the same seasonal
pattern.


What seasonal pattern?

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Old July 30th, 2006, 10:32 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Hatunen writes:

Crops typical here are, e.g., cotton, sugar beets, etc. Different
crops have different water requirements.


OK. What are those requirements?

Areas unreached by canals or have water to deep to economically
pump have changed to crops not requiring as much water, like
pecans.


I thought the wells in Phoenix and Tucson had already breached the
Moho.

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