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Safety board wants airline passengers weighed
Safety board wants airline passengers weighed
WASHINGTON (AP) --Air travel would be safer if airlines weighed their passengers from time to time to make sure they know how much weight their planes are carrying, the National Transportation Safety Board says. Following its investigation into a commuter plane crash last year in North Carolina, the NTSB said on Thursday that airlines should at least periodically make passengers step on a scale. The safety board also recommended the Federal Aviation Administration require improvements to training, oversight and procedures for maintenance personnel. The crash of US Airways Express Flight 5481 at Charlotte-Douglas Airport killed 21 people, the deadliest U.S. aviation accident in nearly 2 1/2 years. The Beech 1900, operated by Air Midwest, was virtually uncontrollable because of two fatal mistakes, the safety board concluded. First, the airline's guidelines for estimating the weight of passengers and baggage were inaccurate. The pilots, therefore, didn't realize the plane's rear section was too heavy. Second, mechanics had improperly rigged cables connected to the elevator, the tail flap that controls the up-and-down direction of the aircraft's nose. The errors meant the elevator's downward motion was restricted to half its normal range, according to the NTSB. Without a fully maneuverable elevator, the pilots couldn't force the nose of the plane down to compensate for its heavy tail, investigators said. As a result, the plane pitched sharply upward just seconds after takeoff for Greer, South Carolina, then fell from the sky. Soon afterward, the FAA ordered airlines to weigh some of their passengers to determine the accuracy of current guidelines -- for example, adults in winter were calculated to weigh 185 pounds on average. The survey showed what many suspected: Passengers and their bags had gotten heavier. The FAA issued temporary guidelines adding up to 10 pounds to its estimate for passengers and 5 pounds to checked luggage. Weight and balance issues The NTSB said those guidelines don't go far enough. The board recommended the FAA require airlines operating planes with 10 or more seats to weigh passengers periodically to determine when they might be heavier -- for example, in December when they wear heavy coats and carry presents. The FAA is working on that. Since June, a committee has been examining the average weights of passengers and baggage and how they vary according to season or geography. Debby McElroy, Regional Airline Association president, said her group is working with the FAA on the weight and balance issues identified by the NTSB. "We agree that further study is necessary, to ensure that air carrier weight and balance programs provide the highest level of safety," McElroy said. The committee is expected to make recommendations next month. NTSB investigators also found flaws in the way mechanics were trained and supervised, how their work was checked and how Air Midwest controlled the quality of its maintenance. Those problems led to the improperly rigged elevator cables on the Charlotte flight. As part of a series of recommendations on maintenance, the NTSB said the FAA should require that work on key flight control systems, including elevator cables, be checked upon completion. FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency already is working on the issues raised by the investigation. Two Democratic members of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, James Oberstar of Wisconsin and Peter DeFazio of Oregon, asked the Transportation Department's inspector general to report on whether outsourced maintenance work affects airline safety. Air Midwest contracted maintenance to Raytheon Aerospace (now known as Vertex Aerospace), which hired mechanics from Structural Modification and Repair Technicians Inc. - - - - - - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you consider the content of this post to be particularly offensive, disgusting or plain illegal, it is probably 'designer abuse', a message designed specifically to hurt the remailer's reputation/existence. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Some people hate this remailer so badly that, for example, they did not hesitate to celebrate the death of 148 French tourists in a plane crash. Those people seceded from the human race, so don't hesitate to report them directly to the police. 2004/01/03 (contact ) Blue.Jay celebrates http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain 2004/01/19 Len Sassaman chooses that moment to bring his support to Blue.Jay http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain More about the subject will be available http://frogadmin.yi.org/HOS/ |
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Casual Observer wrote: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 03:30:45 GMT, Lady Veteran wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 28 Feb 2004 03:40:52 +0100, Jean C wrote: You know it is amazing how Jean C can post with out even looking or putting her hands on a keyboard. Hey NR-how is the photography going CHUBBS? You are still an idiot. You are still a coward. LV Lady Veteran Lady Veteran - Why did you totally ignore the subject of the news clip and only comment on who posted it. Wouldn't you consider the news article material as an important safety matter. Casual Observer It's not her gig, CO. She's not a contributing member to this (or any) group--she's only here to troll and draw attention to herself. |
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AIRLINES' BIG LIE: Flying is SAFER than driving! (The airlines
deliver more safe passenger miles that autos do!) It isn't passenger miles that is relevant when comparing car and plane safety. It's the number of DEATHS which occur by the mode of transportation divided by the (NUMBER OF VEHICLES) IN THAT MODE TIMES THE (TIME) THOSE VEHICLES ARE IN OPERATION (the time those vehicles are subject to a crash). Just to show it isn't passengers X miles: Suppose you have two airplanes: one plane from AIRLINE A and one plane from AIRLINE B. Both planes make one flight from New York to L.A. (3300 miles). On AIRLINE A you have 100 passengers. On AIRLINE B you have only ONE passenger. At the end of the flight, both planes crash. AIRLINE A had 100 passenger deaths for the 3300 miles flown(330,000 passenger/miles flown safely an instant before the crash) AIRLINE B had ONE passenger death for the 3300 miles(only 3300 passenger/miles flown safely an instant before the crash). Would you then say that AIRLINE A had a hundred-fold better safety record than AIRLINE B? Of couse not! WE HAVE JUST ELIMINATED THE STANDARD WIVE'S TALE OF PASSENGER/MILES AS RELEVANT TO COMPARING THE RELATIVE SAFETY OF ANY TWO AIRLINES. IT IS ALSO IRRELEVANT IN COMPARING ANY TWO MODES OF TRANSPORT. THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS THAT HAPPEN TO BE RIDING ON ANY VEHICLE, AIR, LAND OR SEA, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INHERENT SAFETY DESIGN OF THAT PARTICULAR MODE OF TRANSPORT. The safety of any mode of transport depends on the NUMBER OF VEHICLES in that mode TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOURS THOSE VEHICLES ARE SUBJECT TO CRASH (hours of operation) HERE ARE THE FIGURES FOR COMPARING RELATIVE SAFETY OF CARS VS COMMERCIAL JETS; FOR ONE YEAR: (for a mode of transportation)It's number of deaths per year DIVIDED BY the number of vehicles in that mode TIMES the avdg number of hours per year each vehicle is in service: AUTO; 54,000 deaths per year (avdg figure for past 10 years)DIVIDED BY 80,000,000 cars in service TIMES (3 hrs per day avdg per car TIMES 365=1095)OR 80 MILLION times 1095= OVER 80 BILLION car hours. 54,000 Divided by 80 BILLION= (A PEWNEY, ONLY) 1 DEATH PER 1,481,000 CAR Hours AIRLINES: 200 deaths per year (avdg figure for past 10 years) DIVIDED BY 3000 commercial jets in service TIMES (8 hrs avdg flight time per day TIMES 365= 2920) or 3000 times 8 times 365= 8,760,000 jet hours 200 DEATHS divided by 8,760,000= (A WHOPPING) ONE DEATH for only 43,800 airplane hours! Figure it out and you'll see the car is much safer! MISTERFACT @ YAHOO.COM p.s. to further debunk MILES and the number of PASSENGERS who happen to be in a vehicle(as factors in comparing relative safety), imagine a fleet of 10,000 space ships, each traveling the speed of light, each with ONE pilot. This represents INFINITE passenger/miles. As soon as one of these space ships crashes- it can be said that space ships are INFINITELY more dangerous that any other mode of transport- yet in reality, only ONE of the fleet of 10,000 had a crash, only ONE passenger died- which is better than can be said of 10,000 cars or other modes of transport. Finally- to compare the number of deaths in 80 million US cars with a limited number of jumbo jets- is an unfair comparison. Take all the people out of those cars for a year and put them in jumbo jets- the skies would be so crowded with planes, you probably would not be able to see the sun! Air safety would be a joke. If you are going to compare auto death statistics with the airlines- use EQUAL comparisons of EQUAL numbers of passengers: like the number of auto deaths in Georgia compared to US airlines. If you want to compare the relative safety of flying from New York to L.A.- compare that to the number of auto deaths on Interstate 80! That is the route you would take from New York to L.A. Don't include all the irrelevant deaths in the US occuring on rural roads including those involving idiot and drunk drivers who run off the road into a tree! Those deaths are irrelevant to the routes YOU drive and to your safety. Jean C wrote in message ... Safety board wants airline passengers weighed WASHINGTON (AP) --Air travel would be safer if airlines weighed their passengers from time to time to make sure they know how much weight their planes are carrying, the National Transportation Safety Board says. Following its investigation into a commuter plane crash last year in North Carolina, the NTSB said on Thursday that airlines should at least periodically make passengers step on a scale. The safety board also recommended the Federal Aviation Administration require improvements to training, oversight and procedures for maintenance personnel. The crash of US Airways Express Flight 5481 at Charlotte-Douglas Airport killed 21 people, the deadliest U.S. aviation accident in nearly 2 1/2 years. The Beech 1900, operated by Air Midwest, was virtually uncontrollable because of two fatal mistakes, the safety board concluded. First, the airline's guidelines for estimating the weight of passengers and baggage were inaccurate. The pilots, therefore, didn't realize the plane's rear section was too heavy. Second, mechanics had improperly rigged cables connected to the elevator, the tail flap that controls the up-and-down direction of the aircraft's nose. The errors meant the elevator's downward motion was restricted to half its normal range, according to the NTSB. Without a fully maneuverable elevator, the pilots couldn't force the nose of the plane down to compensate for its heavy tail, investigators said. As a result, the plane pitched sharply upward just seconds after takeoff for Greer, South Carolina, then fell from the sky. Soon afterward, the FAA ordered airlines to weigh some of their passengers to determine the accuracy of current guidelines -- for example, adults in winter were calculated to weigh 185 pounds on average. The survey showed what many suspected: Passengers and their bags had gotten heavier. The FAA issued temporary guidelines adding up to 10 pounds to its estimate for passengers and 5 pounds to checked luggage. Weight and balance issues The NTSB said those guidelines don't go far enough. The board recommended the FAA require airlines operating planes with 10 or more seats to weigh passengers periodically to determine when they might be heavier -- for example, in December when they wear heavy coats and carry presents. The FAA is working on that. Since June, a committee has been examining the average weights of passengers and baggage and how they vary according to season or geography. Debby McElroy, Regional Airline Association president, said her group is working with the FAA on the weight and balance issues identified by the NTSB. "We agree that further study is necessary, to ensure that air carrier weight and balance programs provide the highest level of safety," McElroy said. The committee is expected to make recommendations next month. NTSB investigators also found flaws in the way mechanics were trained and supervised, how their work was checked and how Air Midwest controlled the quality of its maintenance. Those problems led to the improperly rigged elevator cables on the Charlotte flight. As part of a series of recommendations on maintenance, the NTSB said the FAA should require that work on key flight control systems, including elevator cables, be checked upon completion. FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency already is working on the issues raised by the investigation. Two Democratic members of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, James Oberstar of Wisconsin and Peter DeFazio of Oregon, asked the Transportation Department's inspector general to report on whether outsourced maintenance work affects airline safety. Air Midwest contracted maintenance to Raytheon Aerospace (now known as Vertex Aerospace), which hired mechanics from Structural Modification and Repair Technicians Inc. - - - - - - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you consider the content of this post to be particularly offensive, disgusting or plain illegal, it is probably 'designer abuse', a message designed specifically to hurt the remailer's reputation/existence. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain Some people hate this remailer so badly that, for example, they did not hesitate to celebrate the death of 148 French tourists in a plane crash. Those people seceded from the human race, so don't hesitate to report them directly to the police. 2004/01/03 (contact ) Blue.Jay celebrates http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain 2004/01/19 Len Sassaman chooses that moment to bring his support to Blue.Jay http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain More about the subject will be available http://frogadmin.yi.org/HOS/ |
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misterfact wrote:
WE HAVE JUST ELIMINATED THE STANDARD WIVE'S TALE OF PASSENGER/MILES AS RELEVANT TO COMPARING THE RELATIVE SAFETY OF ANY TWO AIRLINES. IT IS ALSO IRRELEVANT IN COMPARING ANY TWO MODES OF TRANSPORT. THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS THAT HAPPEN TO BE RIDING ON ANY VEHICLE, AIR, LAND OR SEA, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INHERENT SAFETY DESIGN OF THAT PARTICULAR MODE OF TRANSPORT. But it has everything to do with your personal likelihood of being injured. Remember that you are a person, not an airplane,. miguel -- Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/ |
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"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
... misterfact wrote: WE HAVE JUST ELIMINATED THE STANDARD WIVE'S TALE OF PASSENGER/MILES AS RELEVANT TO COMPARING THE RELATIVE SAFETY OF ANY TWO AIRLINES. IT IS ALSO IRRELEVANT IN COMPARING ANY TWO MODES OF TRANSPORT. THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS THAT HAPPEN TO BE RIDING ON ANY VEHICLE, AIR, LAND OR SEA, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INHERENT SAFETY DESIGN OF THAT PARTICULAR MODE OF TRANSPORT. But it has everything to do with your personal likelihood of being injured. Remember that you are a person, not an airplane,. I think that's his point. Although basing accidents on passenger miles does show the likelihood is greater that you would be involved in an auto accident trying to drive from New York to Florida than by flying from NY to FL. -- McWebber No email replies read If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends please forget that I'm your friend. |
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for "small" airliners (like the Beech 1900) it actually makes sense
"misterfact" wrote in message om... AIRLINES' BIG LIE: Flying is SAFER than driving! (The airlines deliver more safe passenger miles that autos do!) It isn't passenger miles that is relevant when comparing car and plane safety. It's the number of DEATHS which occur by the mode of transportation divided by the (NUMBER OF VEHICLES) IN THAT MODE TIMES THE (TIME) THOSE VEHICLES ARE IN OPERATION (the time those vehicles are subject to a crash). Just to show it isn't passengers X miles: Suppose you have two airplanes: one plane from AIRLINE A and one plane from AIRLINE B. Both planes make one flight from New York to L.A. (3300 miles). On AIRLINE A you have 100 passengers. On AIRLINE B you have only ONE passenger. At the end of the flight, both planes crash. AIRLINE A had 100 passenger deaths for the 3300 miles flown(330,000 passenger/miles flown safely an instant before the crash) AIRLINE B had ONE passenger death for the 3300 miles(only 3300 passenger/miles flown safely an instant before the crash). Would you then say that AIRLINE A had a hundred-fold better safety record than AIRLINE B? Of couse not! WE HAVE JUST ELIMINATED THE STANDARD WIVE'S TALE OF PASSENGER/MILES AS RELEVANT TO COMPARING THE RELATIVE SAFETY OF ANY TWO AIRLINES. IT IS ALSO IRRELEVANT IN COMPARING ANY TWO MODES OF TRANSPORT. THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS THAT HAPPEN TO BE RIDING ON ANY VEHICLE, AIR, LAND OR SEA, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INHERENT SAFETY DESIGN OF THAT PARTICULAR MODE OF TRANSPORT. The safety of any mode of transport depends on the NUMBER OF VEHICLES in that mode TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOURS THOSE VEHICLES ARE SUBJECT TO CRASH (hours of operation) HERE ARE THE FIGURES FOR COMPARING RELATIVE SAFETY OF CARS VS COMMERCIAL JETS; FOR ONE YEAR: (for a mode of transportation)It's number of deaths per year DIVIDED BY the number of vehicles in that mode TIMES the avdg number of hours per year each vehicle is in service: AUTO; 54,000 deaths per year (avdg figure for past 10 years)DIVIDED BY 80,000,000 cars in service TIMES (3 hrs per day avdg per car TIMES 365=1095)OR 80 MILLION times 1095= OVER 80 BILLION car hours. 54,000 Divided by 80 BILLION= (A PEWNEY, ONLY) 1 DEATH PER 1,481,000 CAR Hours AIRLINES: 200 deaths per year (avdg figure for past 10 years) DIVIDED BY 3000 commercial jets in service TIMES (8 hrs avdg flight time per day TIMES 365= 2920) or 3000 times 8 times 365= 8,760,000 jet hours 200 DEATHS divided by 8,760,000= (A WHOPPING) ONE DEATH for only 43,800 airplane hours! Figure it out and you'll see the car is much safer! MISTERFACT @ YAHOO.COM p.s. to further debunk MILES and the number of PASSENGERS who happen to be in a vehicle(as factors in comparing relative safety), imagine a fleet of 10,000 space ships, each traveling the speed of light, each with ONE pilot. This represents INFINITE passenger/miles. As soon as one of these space ships crashes- it can be said that space ships are INFINITELY more dangerous that any other mode of transport- yet in reality, only ONE of the fleet of 10,000 had a crash, only ONE passenger died- which is better than can be said of 10,000 cars or other modes of transport. Finally- to compare the number of deaths in 80 million US cars with a limited number of jumbo jets- is an unfair comparison. Take all the people out of those cars for a year and put them in jumbo jets- the skies would be so crowded with planes, you probably would not be able to see the sun! Air safety would be a joke. If you are going to compare auto death statistics with the airlines- use EQUAL comparisons of EQUAL numbers of passengers: like the number of auto deaths in Georgia compared to US airlines. If you want to compare the relative safety of flying from New York to L.A.- compare that to the number of auto deaths on Interstate 80! That is the route you would take from New York to L.A. Don't include all the irrelevant deaths in the US occuring on rural roads including those involving idiot and drunk drivers who run off the road into a tree! Those deaths are irrelevant to the routes YOU drive and to your safety. Jean C wrote in message ... Safety board wants airline passengers weighed WASHINGTON (AP) --Air travel would be safer if airlines weighed their passengers from time to time to make sure they know how much weight their planes are carrying, the National Transportation Safety Board says. Following its investigation into a commuter plane crash last year in North Carolina, the NTSB said on Thursday that airlines should at least periodically make passengers step on a scale. The safety board also recommended the Federal Aviation Administration require improvements to training, oversight and procedures for maintenance personnel. The crash of US Airways Express Flight 5481 at Charlotte-Douglas Airport killed 21 people, the deadliest U.S. aviation accident in nearly 2 1/2 years. The Beech 1900, operated by Air Midwest, was virtually uncontrollable because of two fatal mistakes, the safety board concluded. First, the airline's guidelines for estimating the weight of passengers and baggage were inaccurate. The pilots, therefore, didn't realize the plane's rear section was too heavy. Second, mechanics had improperly rigged cables connected to the elevator, the tail flap that controls the up-and-down direction of the aircraft's nose. The errors meant the elevator's downward motion was restricted to half its normal range, according to the NTSB. Without a fully maneuverable elevator, the pilots couldn't force the nose of the plane down to compensate for its heavy tail, investigators said. As a result, the plane pitched sharply upward just seconds after takeoff for Greer, South Carolina, then fell from the sky. Soon afterward, the FAA ordered airlines to weigh some of their passengers to determine the accuracy of current guidelines -- for example, adults in winter were calculated to weigh 185 pounds on average. The survey showed what many suspected: Passengers and their bags had gotten heavier. The FAA issued temporary guidelines adding up to 10 pounds to its estimate for passengers and 5 pounds to checked luggage. Weight and balance issues The NTSB said those guidelines don't go far enough. The board recommended the FAA require airlines operating planes with 10 or more seats to weigh passengers periodically to determine when they might be heavier -- for example, in December when they wear heavy coats and carry presents. The FAA is working on that. Since June, a committee has been examining the average weights of passengers and baggage and how they vary according to season or geography. Debby McElroy, Regional Airline Association president, said her group is working with the FAA on the weight and balance issues identified by the NTSB. "We agree that further study is necessary, to ensure that air carrier weight and balance programs provide the highest level of safety," McElroy said. The committee is expected to make recommendations next month. NTSB investigators also found flaws in the way mechanics were trained and supervised, how their work was checked and how Air Midwest controlled the quality of its maintenance. Those problems led to the improperly rigged elevator cables on the Charlotte flight. As part of a series of recommendations on maintenance, the NTSB said the FAA should require that work on key flight control systems, including elevator cables, be checked upon completion. FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency already is working on the issues raised by the investigation. Two Democratic members of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, James Oberstar of Wisconsin and Peter DeFazio of Oregon, asked the Transportation Department's inspector general to report on whether outsourced maintenance work affects airline safety. Air Midwest contracted maintenance to Raytheon Aerospace (now known as Vertex Aerospace), which hired mechanics from Structural Modification and Repair Technicians Inc. - - - - - - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you consider the content of this post to be particularly offensive, disgusting or plain illegal, it is probably 'designer abuse', a message designed specifically to hurt the remailer's reputation/existence. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...anonymous&o e =UTF-8&output=gplain Some people hate this remailer so badly that, for example, they did not hesitate to celebrate the death of 148 French tourists in a plane crash. Those people seceded from the human race, so don't hesitate to report them directly to the police. 2004/01/03 (contact ) Blue.Jay celebrates http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...eb3019d6fd3 f aa2125547c%401073158846.cotse.net&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain 2004/01/19 Len Sassaman chooses that moment to bring his support to Blue.Jay http://groups.google.com/groups?selm....31463%40th e tis.deor.org&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain More about the subject will be available http://frogadmin.yi.org/HOS/ |
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Regardless of the safety issues from a market standpoint I personally
think it's a good thing to weigh passengers & luggage. I mailed a package via airmail a few weeks and USPS charged me postage based on weight and dimension class. What's the difference between mailing a package via air and personal flying? Not a whole lot in terms of space and fuel consumption factors. We choose to live in a free market economy and free market economics should determine operating protocols. Therefore all the airlines have to do is assign ticket prices based on weight/height ratios. Under this system a 150 lb 5foot 2 inch individual would pay … lets say $150.00 while a 300lb 5foot 2 inch whale would have to pay twice as much i.e. $300.00. We can always make exemptions for pregnancy, genuine medical conditions, etc. Obviously "chronic obesity" would not qualify as a genuine medical condition since it isn't. In the long run, normal people would be handed lower airfares while the slobs would pay their fare share (like my pun?). Of course it goes without saying that a person who pays for two seats should also receive two meals and be allowed to visit the bathroom twice as often. If we are to accept the fat lobby's opinion a 300lb leviathan who spreads their flab over two whole seats would be entitled to pay as much as a normal person who takes up a single seat. I don't think so! Why not ask USPS if they are willing to ship all packages via air for a flat rate regardless of weight and dimension and see what they say! Economics are economics; If a fat person has no problem spending spend 2 or 3 times as much on food they should be equally willing, and should more importantly should expect, to spend a comparable amount on air travel. Take some responsibility for the consequences of your actions. |
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"Jules Kemper" wrote in message om... Regardless of the safety issues from a market standpoint I personally think it's a good thing to weigh passengers & luggage. I mailed a package via airmail a few weeks and USPS charged me postage based on weight and dimension class. What's the difference between mailing a package via air and personal flying? Not a whole lot in terms of space and fuel consumption factors. We choose to live in a free market economy and free market economics should determine operating protocols. Therefore all the airlines have to do is assign ticket prices based on weight/height ratios. Under this system a 150 lb 5foot 2 inch individual would pay . lets say $150.00 while a 300lb 5foot 2 inch whale would have to pay twice as much i.e. $300.00. We can always make exemptions for pregnancy, genuine medical conditions, etc. Obviously "chronic obesity" would not qualify as a genuine medical condition since it isn't. In the long run, normal people would be handed lower airfares while the slobs would pay their fare share (like my pun?). Of course it goes without saying that a person who pays for two seats should also receive two meals and be allowed to visit the bathroom twice as often. If we are to accept the fat lobby's opinion a 300lb leviathan who spreads their flab over two whole seats would be entitled to pay as much as a normal person who takes up a single seat. I don't think so! Why not ask USPS if they are willing to ship all packages via air for a flat rate regardless of weight and dimension and see what they say! Economics are economics; If a fat person has no problem spending spend 2 or 3 times as much on food they should be equally willing, and should more importantly should expect, to spend a comparable amount on air travel. Take some responsibility for the consequences of your actions. I can not believe you actually posted that. I have never been so insulted in my entire life! As one of those Leviathan I dont see why I should have to pay for 2 seats unless I take up 2 seats literally. I would normally travel with my 2 year old daughter so if anyone has a problem sitting next to my big butt they can sit next to her little tiny bottom. I am sorry that I gained weight after being molested for 2 years and that my lack of self esteem and my inability to loose the weight so I kick skinny jerks butts for making rude and insensitive comments is offending you but maybe you should think what if this was my child I was posting about before you say anything. Tori Ps I am planning on having gastric bypass surgery after I have child #2 in October. And I dont eat more then anyone else I know infect my husband eats more then I do and he looses weight. |
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