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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
Clinton was Impeached (a Constitutional term equal to indited Congress).
Congress then failed in the vote to remove him from office. Richard |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-09 09:07:01 -0400, "Richard" said:
Clinton was Impeached (a Constitutional term equal to indited Congress). Congress then failed in the vote to remove him from office. Rabbits hop. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:58:33 -0400, "Matthew L. Martin"
wrote: sechumlib wrote: On 2007-07-08 18:54:04 -0400, George Graves said: Had I been the judge, as I've said before, the man would have done time - starting the minute his presidency was up. There you go again! Have you NO decency, sir? More particularly, have you NO concept of the difference between an impeachment trial in Congress and a criminal trial in court? He has also never heard of the constitutional protection from double jeopardy. That doesn't surprise me. Impeachment is non-criminal in nature, so double jeopardy considerations do not attach. In fact, conviction of a crime is one of the reasons for an impeachment, which has only the effect of removal from office. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:35:47 -0400, sechumlib
wrote: On 2007-07-09 02:44:51 -0400, Sam Spade said: What an ass. I have insurance and was there with a legitmate medical issue. I had called my doctor's exchange first and the doctor on call told me to go to the ER with my conition. ...whatever a "conition" might be. Ah. You've raised the flag. I presume we are all free to peruse your postings for misspellings and typos and bring them to your attention. -- ************* DAVE HATUNEN ) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:56:49 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote
(in article ): George Graves wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:31:37 -0700, sechumlib wrote (in article ): On 2007-07-08 18:54:04 -0400, George Graves said: Please show me where, in any code of jurisprudence in the country where it gives a witness the right to lie under oath about anything? Please show me where, in any sensible political system, a politician will put the chief executive in a position where he might lie under oath about anything as trivial as a blow job? And use that as a reason to try to get rid of a chief executive who is doing a perfectly fine job? There is simply no way around this. Clinton LIED under oath. End of story. All side issues are irrelevant. You live in an interesting world of black and white. Were you GWB's roommate? The Republican Senate was smarter than you. And this has to do with the Republican Senate, how? Understand that the court indictment for perjury and the impeachment proceedings are entirely different things. No politician with scruples would have done such a thing. Which types the Republican Congress perfectly. That is the point. Clinton was impeached for what the founders would have considered a trivial matter. Lying under oath to grand jury is NOT a trivial matter. It never ceases to amaze me that you Clinton apologists cannot separate the crime (perjury before a grand jury) from what Clinton lied about (getting a BJ from Monica Lewinski). You seem to think that the triviality of the subject about which Clinton lied in some way makes the fact that he lied trivial. It doesn't. Under the law, it doesn't matter what one lies about, perjury is a FELONY. Clinton could have lied about what he had for breakfast that morning, and it would be same or he could have lied about ordering someone's murder and it would be the same. The law is the same in both instances. It doesn't matter what the subject is or how trivial or grave the lie. Perjury is perjury and it cannot be condoned or excused. Clinton got-off light. He should have served time as you or I would certainly do were we to be caught perjuring ourselves before a Federal Grand Jury. It came no where near treason or bribery in the impact on the nation. Irrelevant. You just don't get it, do you? If he had done what Scooter Libby did he should have been convicted. Irrelevant Matthew |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:41:24 -0700, sechumlib wrote
(in article ): On 2007-07-08 23:24:48 -0400, George Graves said: Sir, in this country, if YOU or I were to lie under oath, in court, YOU or I would go to jail. Why don't you just dispense with your fake courtesy and call me "asshole"? That's the name I apply to you - privately, anyway. The courtesy is not fake. I don't necessarily think that everyone with whom I disagree on any given subject warrants the name asshole. Perhaps, I don't wish to polarize myself to that degree. Extreme polarization seems to be a Liberal trait. One is either a fellow traveler or an asshole. There seems to be no other choice form liberals. |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:58:33 -0700, Matthew L. Martin wrote
(in article ): sechumlib wrote: On 2007-07-08 18:54:04 -0400, George Graves said: Had I been the judge, as I've said before, the man would have done time - starting the minute his presidency was up. There you go again! Have you NO decency, sir? More particularly, have you NO concept of the difference between an impeachment trial in Congress and a criminal trial in court? He has also never heard of the constitutional protection from double jeopardy. That doesn't surprise me. Matthew Would you like to explain how Clinton's perjury in any way ivolved double jeopardy? This I gotta hear! |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:07:01 -0700, Richard wrote
(in article ): Clinton was Impeached (a Constitutional term equal to indited Congress). Congress then failed in the vote to remove him from office. Richard Yes, and....? |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
George Graves wrote:
... Sir, in this country, if YOU or I were to lie under oath, in court, YOU or I would go to jail. But YOU OR I would NEVER have been called before a grand jury and asked if we had a blow job. The whole situation was ABSURD to begin with and the vast majority of your country knew it!!!! ....If you can't see that, then all I can say is that I hope your point of view is a minority point of view, because if it is the majority opinion in this matter, then may the fates help you as a nation,... -- Seinfeld Lists http://tinyurl.com/f7k9d Sawyer's Nicknames http://tinyurl.com/gowma |
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39% of Americans believe Bush should be impeached.
On 2007-07-09 12:45:18 -0400, George Graves said:
Lying under oath to grand jury is NOT a trivial matter. Not when applied to Clinton, according to your non-standards. What about when applied to Lewis Libby? |
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