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Driver Licensing not about highway safety
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote: Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety. Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent reasons as to the correlation between the two. Hahahahaha!!!! And, should I presume you are using "school child" powers of reasoning in your assertion that I'm "simply deluded"? Would it be a stretch to expect you to actually pose arguments with a bit more content than "school children could present cogent reasons"? I do so bore of the line of arguments that go something like: "Anybody could prove you wrong.", without anybody actually doing so. |
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Driver Licensing is all about highway safety
On Sep 30, 11:20 pm, proffsl wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote: "proffsl" wrote: Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety. Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent reasons as to the correlation between the two. Hahahahaha!!!! And, should I presume you are using "school child" powers of reasoning in your assertion that I'm "simply deluded"? Would it be a stretch to expect you to actually pose arguments with a bit more content than "school children could present cogent reasons"? I do so bore of the line of arguments that go something like: "Anybody could prove you wrong.", without anybody actually doing so. But we already did that, more than a year ago. That you choose to ignore it and plunge forward regardless of having no facts or logic on your side is your choice. At this point, we can merely marvel at your ability to ignore reality. At least this time you haven't yet fabricated any court cases. You have only misused them. |
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Driver Licensing not about highway safety
Alan S wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote: "proffsl" wrote in message Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety. Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent reasons as to the correlation between the two. KM I agree. However, on an allied subject, this was a news item here last night. Interviews with the town authorities were positive; interviews with Insurance representatives were not:http://www.spiegel.de/international/...505246,00.html "German Town Scraps Road Signs to Increase Safety You won't have to worry about getting a ticket for running a red light in the German town of Bohmte any more -- the town is abolishing all its road signs and traffic regulations. Pedestrians and cyclists in Bohmte will have to rely on their wits from now on -- the town is abolishing traffic signs. The idea of a town with no road signs conjures up ideas of Italian-style traffic mayhem, with cars whizzing everywhere and nervous pedestrians diving for cover. But for some traffic experts, such chaos is to be embraced -- or, as the title of a recent traffic conference in Frankfurt put it, "unsafe is safe." Now the town of Bohmte in the German state of Lower Saxony is putting its money where its motor mouth is -- it's getting rid of its road signs in a bid to cut accidents. The work to remove the road signs will begin Wednesday in the town of 13,500 inhabitants. Sidewalks will disappear, as will the asphalt, replaced by cobblestones. Cycle lanes and sidewalks will be distinguished from the road only by color. The town is putting up half of the project's ¤2.35-million costs itself, with the EU and other sources of funding supplying the other half. The idea is based on the European Union-supported "Shared Space" (more...) concept of traffic management developed by the Dutch traffic expert Hans Monderman. According to the concept, road users have to negotiate their behavior with each other, rather than have it prescribed by rules -- the idea being that people will pay more attention to what other road users are doing and hence cause fewer accidents." Cheers, Alan, Australia --http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Sloveniahttp://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest You surprise me Alan. I too read of these studies some months ago. And, there are some corelations between their studies, and my claims here, that driver licensing has nothing to do with highway safety. Now, I still support laws that prosecute any behavior which places others in danger. Or, even behavior which is likely to place others in danger. Such as driving too fast through residential areas. In fact, I support VERY STRONG prosecution of such behavior. And, frankly, I am quite dismayed and disgusted by how the courts will often allow people who have proven by their actions that they WILL NOT drive safely to continue to drive. I suppose so long as the courts collect their fines, and so long as the insurance companies get more money, well then, everything is honkey dorie in their minds. But, myself, if somebody has proven they WILL NOT drive safely, they should be instructed to keep their asses off the highways entirely, else they WILL go to JAIL. Frankly, I don't care if somebody can AFFORD to pay the fines and extra insurance premiums in order to retain their "permission" to ENDANGER ME and Others. I don't care if you can afford to provide me with the best hospital care on earth, to provide for my children, buy me a new car, and make my house payments, I STILL DON'T WANT YOU RUNNING OVER ME. And, if you have proven that you WILL NOT drive safely, then get your damn ass off the highways, or GO TO JAIL. PERIOD. But, UNTIL someone has been proven guilty of Driving Dangerously, they will remain in my mind Innocent Until Proven Guilty by Due Process of Law, and as such will retain ALL of their Rights, including their Right to Drive. And, I have demonstrated beyond any doubt with court citations that Driving the Automobile IS A RIGHT, only it is a Right which is being circumvented by Police Powers. And, my position remains that those Police Powers are arbitrary and unreasonable, because my position and evidence is that Driver Licensing does nothing for highway safety that strictly enforced laws against Endangerment didn't already serve. Of course, those laws against Endamgerment WOULD HAVE TO BE ENFORCED STRICTLY. |
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Driver Licensing not about highway safety
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"Alan S" wrote: "Alohacyberian" wrote: "proffsl" wrote in message Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety. Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent reasons as to the correlation between the two. I agree. However, on an allied subject, this was a news item here last night. Interviews with the town authorities were positive; interviews with Insurance representatives were not: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...505246,00.html "German Town Scraps Road Signs to Increase Safety Snipped for brevity Very interesting concept, but I predict it will increase accidents, especially for pedestrians. Seems as if your "school child" powers of reasoning are wrong even before you express them. From that same article: "The radical philosophy has already been implented in the town of Drachten in the Netherlands, which has abolished its road signs and traffic lights. Accidents there have declined dramatically since the new regime was introduced." Germany, like Italy, already has traffic injury and death tolls that are gruesome. And in my personal observation over the years, some of the most hare-brained schemes have come from governmental groups' whose actions have put heavy burdens on the populace. Yadda, yadda, yadda. |
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Driver Licensing not about highway safety
"Lawrence Akutagawa" wrote:
[personal problems] Take your personal dispute with Alan elsewhere. I don't appreciate you bringing your personal problems with Alan here. |
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Driver Licensing is all about highway safety
On Sep 30, 11:49 pm, proffsl wrote:
"Lawrence Akutagawa" wrote: [personal problems] Take your personal dispute with Alan elsewhere. I don't appreciate you bringing your personal problems with Alan here. Why do you presume to issue directives to others on an open internet forum? Have you not heard of the right of free speech? |
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Driver Licensing is all about highway safety
On Sep 30, 11:39 pm, proffsl wrote:
Alan S wrote: "Alohacyberian" wrote: "proffsl" wrote in message Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety. Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent reasons as to the correlation between the two. KM I agree. However, on an allied subject, this was a news item here last night. Interviews with the town authorities were positive; interviews with Insurance representatives were not:http://www.spiegel.de/international/...505246,00.html "German Town Scraps Road Signs to Increase Safety You won't have to worry about getting a ticket for running a red light in the German town of Bohmte any more -- the town is abolishing all its road signs and traffic regulations. Pedestrians and cyclists in Bohmte will have to rely on their wits from now on -- the town is abolishing traffic signs. The idea of a town with no road signs conjures up ideas of Italian-style traffic mayhem, with cars whizzing everywhere and nervous pedestrians diving for cover. But for some traffic experts, such chaos is to be embraced -- or, as the title of a recent traffic conference in Frankfurt put it, "unsafe is safe." Now the town of Bohmte in the German state of Lower Saxony is putting its money where its motor mouth is -- it's getting rid of its road signs in a bid to cut accidents. The work to remove the road signs will begin Wednesday in the town of 13,500 inhabitants. Sidewalks will disappear, as will the asphalt, replaced by cobblestones. Cycle lanes and sidewalks will be distinguished from the road only by color. The town is putting up half of the project's ¤2.35-million costs itself, with the EU and other sources of funding supplying the other half. The idea is based on the European Union-supported "Shared Space" (more...) concept of traffic management developed by the Dutch traffic expert Hans Monderman. According to the concept, road users have to negotiate their behavior with each other, rather than have it prescribed by rules -- the idea being that people will pay more attention to what other road users are doing and hence cause fewer accidents." Cheers, Alan, Australia --http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Sloveniahttp://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest You surprise me Alan. I too read of these studies some months ago. And, there are some corelations between their studies, and my claims here, that driver licensing has nothing to do with highway safety. Not really. The correlation isn't with licensing/lack of, it is with lack of driving regulations. Now, I still support laws that prosecute any behavior which places others in danger. Or, even behavior which is likely to place others in danger. That sounds like a slippery slope. As a civil liberties supporter, I would object to your authoritarian proposal. But, UNTIL someone has been proven guilty of Driving Dangerously, they will remain in my mind Innocent Until Proven Guilty by Due Process of Law, and as such will retain ALL of their Rights, including their Right to Drive. But only with a license. And, I have demonstrated beyond any doubt... You have failed to demonstrate at all; in fact, you haven't yet escaped from the realm of complete doubt. with court citations ... Which I have proven over and over again that you have misused, misquoted and even fabricated... that Driving the Automobile IS A RIGHT .... only with a license and registration. , ... only it is a Right which is being circumvented by Police Powers. Properly so, as has been overwhelmingly show to you. And, my position remains ... .... untenable. that those Police Powers are arbitrary and unreasonable... Wrong. They are anything but arbitrary and have been litigated and found reasonable. In fact, your own cites were to court cases that established the exact opposite of your false claims. ... because my position and evidence is that Driver Licensing does nothing for highway safety that strictly enforced laws against Endangerment didn't already serve. And you have been shown to be wrong. |
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Driver Licensing is all about highway safety
at 12:30 am wrote:
at 12:20 am wrote: "Alohacyberian" wrote: "proffsl" wrote: Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety. Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent reasons as to the correlation between the two. Hahahahaha!!!! And, should I presume you are using "school child" powers of reasoning in your assertion that I'm "simply deluded"? Would it be a stretch to expect you to actually pose arguments with a bit more content than "school children could present cogent reasons"? I do so bore of the line of arguments that go something like: "Anybody could prove you wrong.", without anybody actually doing so. But we already did that, more than a year ago. That you choose to ignore it and plunge forward regardless of having no facts or logic on your side is your choice. At this point, we can merely marvel at your ability to ignore reality. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Do you wait at your computer, like some kind of troll under a bridge, for yet another opportunity to respond with your hollow claims of victory? Only 10 minutes after I post, THERE YOU ARE. You really are a desperate buffoon. But, as usual, a buffoon which contributes NOTHING, NADA, ZELCH, except more of your **** slinging hysterics. |
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Driver Licensing not about highway safety
at 12:30 am wrote:
at 12:20 am wrote: "Alohacyberian" wrote: "proffsl" wrote: Licensing does have nothing to do with highway safety. Your assertion is simply deluded. A school child could present cogent reasons as to the correlation between the two. Hahahahaha!!!! And, should I presume you are using "school child" powers of reasoning in your assertion that I'm "simply deluded"? Would it be a stretch to expect you to actually pose arguments with a bit more content than "school children could present cogent reasons"? I do so bore of the line of arguments that go something like: "Anybody could prove you wrong.", without anybody actually doing so. But we already did that, more than a year ago. That you choose to ignore it and plunge forward regardless of having no facts or logic on your side is your choice. At this point, we can merely marvel at your ability to ignore reality. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Do you wait at your computer, like some kind of troll under a bridge, for yet another opportunity to respond with your hollow claims of victory? Only 10 minutes after I post, THERE YOU ARE. You really are a desperate buffoon. But, as usual, a buffoon which contributes NOTHING, NADA, ZELCH, except more of your **** slinging hysterics. |
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Driver Licensing NOT about highway safety
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proffsl wrote: "Lawrence Akutagawa" wrote: [personal problems] Take your personal dispute with Alan elsewhere. I don't appreciate you bringing your personal problems with Alan here. Why do you presume to issue directives to others on an open internet forum? Have you not heard of the right of free speech? Give your self a clensing 12 gauge enema. |
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