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  #21  
Old November 19th, 2008, 05:44 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
John Kulp
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Default Notebooks in flight

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:55:47 -0800, Irwell wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:42:34 GMT, John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:01:11 -0800, Irwell wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:42:47 GMT, John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:13:55 -0800, Irwell wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:00:02 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:

Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.

One notebook maybe, but 50 to 100 could cause some beat frequency
problems with the avionics.

Baloney. This has been proven to be completely false again and again.

Not asking about your state of mind here.
They, the people who really know, require that all electronic devices
be powered down during the landing and take off phases of the flight.
They don't want to take chances with passenger's electronics that may
not be assembled and tested to FCC/FAA standards, including radiation
hardness.



Sure and cellphones do the same thing according to the same ones that
believe this. Also, having been proven to be completely false. The
reason, as everyone else knows, is to prevent liability for these
things flying around the cabin in case of a sudden stop.


Weak argument, put away your 10 ounce cell phone, but you can carry on
reading your 2 lb book.


We're talking only about takeoff and landing here. You're not allowed
to have anything not stored on those. And won't if they see them.
  #22  
Old November 19th, 2008, 05:44 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
John Kulp
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Default Notebooks in flight

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:57:36 -0800, Irwell wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:23:15 -0600, Jim Davis wrote:

"PeterL" wrote in message
...
On Nov 18, 3:00 pm, Alfred Molon wrote:
Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.
--

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If they want you to put everything away and store all your stuff under
you seat, why would they then allow you to hold a piece of hardware on
your lap? It may be thrown around in turbulance and hurt someone.


Everything has to be stowed as not to become a deadly flying object in the
event of an accident. The crazy part is, you can have an infant on your
lap.


Don't worry about the infant, watch out for disposable pampers.


Who Flung Poo?
  #23  
Old November 19th, 2008, 08:47 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
Chris Blunt[_2_]
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Default Notebooks in flight

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:42:27 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:42:58 +0800, Chris Blunt
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:42:34 GMT,
(John Kulp)
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:01:11 -0800, Irwell wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:42:47 GMT, John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:13:55 -0800, Irwell wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:00:02 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:

Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.

One notebook maybe, but 50 to 100 could cause some beat frequency
problems with the avionics.

Baloney. This has been proven to be completely false again and again.

Not asking about your state of mind here.
They, the people who really know, require that all electronic devices
be powered down during the landing and take off phases of the flight.
They don't want to take chances with passenger's electronics that may
not be assembled and tested to FCC/FAA standards, including radiation
hardness.



Sure and cellphones do the same thing according to the same ones that
believe this. Also, having been proven to be completely false. The
reason, as everyone else knows, is to prevent liability for these
things flying around the cabin in case of a sudden stop.


For years the airlines have been telling people to keep their
cellphones switched off at all times while on board the aircraft. Now
that they've found a way to make extra money by allowing passengers to
use their cellphones in flight, these things will suddenly be deemed
quite safe to use.


Hopefully not, or there are going to be lots of fights on board.


I believe that Emirates and Malaysia Airlines already allow them on
some flights. Ryanair have announced they intend to as well.

Chris
  #24  
Old November 19th, 2008, 09:54 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
DevilsPGD
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Default Notebooks in flight

In message Alfred Molon
was claimed to have wrote:

In article 1caa1932-c33e-4c52-85c0-
, PeterL says...

If they want you to put everything away and store all your stuff under
you seat, why would they then allow you to hold a piece of hardware on
your lap? It may be thrown around in turbulance and hurt someone.


Hmmm... you are allowed to keep the notebook on your lap if it is
switched off.


Some flight attendants will permit it, but this is not formally allowed.
  #25  
Old November 19th, 2008, 11:01 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
PeterL
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Default Notebooks in flight

On Nov 19, 12:47*pm, Chris Blunt wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:42:27 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:





On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:42:58 +0800, Chris Blunt
wrote:


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:42:34 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:


On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:01:11 -0800, Irwell wrote:


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:42:47 GMT, John Kulp wrote:


On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:13:55 -0800, Irwell wrote:


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:00:02 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:


Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.


One notebook maybe, but 50 to 100 could cause some beat frequency
problems with the avionics.


Baloney. *This has been proven to be completely false again and again.


Not asking about your state of mind here.
They, the people who really know, require that all electronic devices
be powered down during the landing and take off phases of the flight.
They don't want to take chances with passenger's electronics that may
not be assembled and tested to FCC/FAA standards, including radiation
hardness.


Sure and cellphones do the same thing according to the same ones that
believe this. *Also, having been proven to be completely false. *The
reason, as everyone else knows, is to prevent liability for these
things flying around the cabin in case of a sudden stop.


For years the airlines have been telling people to keep their
cellphones switched off at all times while on board the aircraft. Now
that they've found a way to make extra money by allowing passengers to
use their cellphones in flight, these things will suddenly be deemed
quite safe to use.


Hopefully not, or there are going to be lots of fights on board.


I believe that Emirates and Malaysia Airlines already allow them on
some flights. Ryanair have announced they intend to as well.

Chris-


During take offs and landings? Or just during flight? Big difference.
  #26  
Old November 19th, 2008, 11:01 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
PeterL
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Default Notebooks in flight

On Nov 19, 1:54*pm, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message Alfred Molon
was claimed to have wrote:

In article 1caa1932-c33e-4c52-85c0-
, PeterL says...


If they want you to put everything away and store all your stuff under
you seat, why would they then allow you to hold a piece of hardware on
your lap? *It may be thrown around in turbulance and hurt someone.


Hmmm... you are allowed to keep the notebook on your lap if it is
switched off.


Some flight attendants will permit it, but this is not formally allowed.



During take offs and landings? Or just during flight?
  #27  
Old November 19th, 2008, 11:25 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
Donald Newcomb
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Default Notebooks in flight

"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
...
Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.


I think the appropriate answer is, "Because the flight crew tell you not
to." I was once on a military flight where a high-ranking military officer
insisted on standing during the take off and landing. No one was going to
tell a "three star" to sit down but I think it would have been funny if the
plane had blown a tire and thrown him through the window. When a plane is
taking off or landing you are supposed to be strapped in with your tray
table and seat back up and not messing with anything that could cause injury
if "stuff" happened. It would be just my luck to be sitting in front of or
behind Alfred when the plane took a bounce and have his laptop ricochet off
the overhead and come down on top of me.

Also, while a *properly functioning* laptop might not cause any problems
with the plane's electronics, you should not attempt to assert that an
improperly functioning one would never do so. During take-off and landing
there is no time to look for and isolate the source of a problem. It's best
to be safe. I'm just glad they let us use them at all.

--
Donald R. Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal.net



  #28  
Old November 20th, 2008, 02:13 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
Jim Davis[_1_]
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Default Notebooks in flight


"PeterL" wrote in message
...
On Nov 19, 1:54 pm, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message Alfred Molon
was claimed to have wrote:

In article 1caa1932-c33e-4c52-85c0-
, PeterL says...


If they want you to put everything away and store all your stuff under
you seat, why would they then allow you to hold a piece of hardware on
your lap? It may be thrown around in turbulance and hurt someone.


Hmmm... you are allowed to keep the notebook on your lap if it is
switched off.


Some flight attendants will permit it, but this is not formally allowed.



During take offs and landings? Or just during flight?

During take off and landings, they'll require you to stow everything. Most
of the airlines are making a point to tell you that laptops in the seatback
pouch is not allowed either.

If you watch, you'll also see the FA's taking purses and other items from
people in the bulkhead seats. They tell them the items have to be stowed
for takeoff & landing, but they can remove them from storage during the
flight.


  #29  
Old November 20th, 2008, 03:04 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
Chris Blunt[_2_]
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Default Notebooks in flight

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:01:13 -0800 (PST), PeterL
wrote:

On Nov 19, 12:47*pm, Chris Blunt wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:42:27 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:





On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:42:58 +0800, Chris Blunt
wrote:


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:42:34 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:


On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:01:11 -0800, Irwell wrote:


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:42:47 GMT, John Kulp wrote:


On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:13:55 -0800, Irwell wrote:


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:00:02 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:


Why exactly are you not allowed to use a notebook computer during take-
off and landing? The radio power emitted by a notebook should be too
weak to cause any problems to the plane electronics.


One notebook maybe, but 50 to 100 could cause some beat frequency
problems with the avionics.


Baloney. *This has been proven to be completely false again and again.


Not asking about your state of mind here.
They, the people who really know, require that all electronic devices
be powered down during the landing and take off phases of the flight.
They don't want to take chances with passenger's electronics that may
not be assembled and tested to FCC/FAA standards, including radiation
hardness.


Sure and cellphones do the same thing according to the same ones that
believe this. *Also, having been proven to be completely false. *The
reason, as everyone else knows, is to prevent liability for these
things flying around the cabin in case of a sudden stop.


For years the airlines have been telling people to keep their
cellphones switched off at all times while on board the aircraft. Now
that they've found a way to make extra money by allowing passengers to
use their cellphones in flight, these things will suddenly be deemed
quite safe to use.


Hopefully not, or there are going to be lots of fights on board.


I believe that Emirates and Malaysia Airlines already allow them on
some flights. Ryanair have announced they intend to as well.

Chris-


During take offs and landings? Or just during flight? Big difference.


I don't know, but cellphones had previous been disallowed at any time
on aircraft on the basis that they were a risk to flight systems. The
point is that now that the airlines have discovered they can make
money from their use, they are apparently no longer considered a
danger.

Chris
  #30  
Old November 20th, 2008, 11:34 AM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.asia
Kurt Ullman
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Default Notebooks in flight

In article ,
Chris Blunt wrote:

I don't know, but cellphones had previous been disallowed at any time
on aircraft on the basis that they were a risk to flight systems. The
point is that now that the airlines have discovered they can make
money from their use, they are apparently no longer considered a
danger.

Chris


The cell phone concerns have always been FCC instead of FAA. Not to
say that the FAA may not have had some, just that the FCC weigh in made
it unnecessary for the FAA to make any kind of decision.
 




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